JMM28 Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 39 minutes ago, DoctorB said: OK I'll speak. Clock, you are misreading my remarks, irresponsibly but not necessarily willfully. (Not willful, since It's possible you are simply a very poor reader.) And thanks to guys like 615 and Quality, whose reading skills are superior to yours, for stepping up to my defense. They and others were more successful in unravellling my very very complex prose. In a morbid way, I actually admire the creative reading of my comments by Clock, since it so expertly reveals the epistemological confusions that more and more people are recognizing as essential to the Facebook media culture of our current mess. Bravo Clock for that ingenious reading, coupled with your savvy, Fox News-like pivot away from my actual point! The passage in question is this: "Evidently some are clueless to the general tone of these issues in the media and culture right now; when a guy like Matt Lauer can be summarily fired like he was the other day, I think it's pretty clear that we've reached some sort of unprecedented tipping point on issues of sexual abuse/assault, not to mention simply stupid sexual nonsense like has been alleged in this case." I was making a fairly obvious observation about the "general tone" of sexual misconduct in our culture right now, and my sense that we've reached some kind of "tipping point," meaning we've become ultra-sensitive about these things. One recent illustration of this is Lauer but I could name a couple dozen more, all of which have contributed to this context. As for the timeline of this emergin tipping point, , I suspect a lot of it went on steroids when out great leader's idiotic comments to Billy Bush broke in October 2016, showing the world that he was a serial predator. So Lauer is simply the latest in a long series of idiot sexual conduct being exposed (no pun intended). I even showed how Lauer and the basketball situation are different, by distinguishing Lauer from "simply stupid sexual nonsense." Actually, now that I think of it -- the sentences are not really all that complicated, after all... I am a cultural historian by trade so perhaps I take for granted some of the underlying premises of my remarks. But you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.... Tl;dr lots of hot air, self congratulating, and people are hyper sensitive about sexual assault right now. Oh and a dash of political trolling in there. All the points of a terrible post. Billiken Rich likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 It is cool to know that the cultural historian is on board with tarring the name and denying due process to three young black males. I guess that is cool as long as it serves the current cause du jour. slufan13 and joe_davola like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 I know Taj doesn't write like this. willie likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 If I may add my bit of obvious evidence to this discussion. As far as I know there are 7 people involved in this mess, 4 males and 3 females, there is a sex act or multiple sex acts that took place, and there was a questionably pre-disclosed and questionably pre-accepted by all parties video of the proceeds which found the way into some degree of distribution, at least in the campus. There is the need to provide ALL of the participants in this fiasco with full due process and a way to voice their points of view and what they did or did not agree upon. This is not a simple task, and it is complicated by apparently present racial issues. If everybody is to get due process and be fully allowed to voice their points of views and objections, this process is not likely to be a short process by any means. Just remember this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 9 minutes ago, Old guy said: If I may add my bit of obvious evidence to this discussion. As far as I know there are 7 people involved in this mess, 4 males and 3 females, there is a sex act or multiple sex acts that took place, and there was a questionably pre-disclosed and questionably pre-accepted by all parties video of the proceeds which found the way into some degree of distribution, at least in the campus. There is the need to provide ALL of the participants in this fiasco with full due process and a way to voice their points of view and what they did or did not agree upon. This is not a simple task, and it is complicated by apparently present racial issues. If everybody is to get due process and be fully allowed to voice their points of views and objections, this process is not likely to be a short process by any means. Just remember this. There is absolutely no scenario where this case should even take 60 days let alone longer. Make a decision JohnnyJumpUp and DeSmetBilliken like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 29 minutes ago, Old guy said: If I may add my bit of obvious evidence to this discussion. As far as I know there are 7 people involved in this mess, 4 males and 3 females, there is a sex act or multiple sex acts that took place, and there was a questionably pre-disclosed and questionably pre-accepted by all parties video of the proceeds which found the way into some degree of distribution, at least in the campus. There is the need to provide ALL of the participants in this fiasco with full due process and a way to voice their points of view and what they did or did not agree upon. This is not a simple task, and it is complicated by apparently present racial issues. If everybody is to get due process and be fully allowed to voice their points of views and objections, this process is not likely to be a short process by any means. Just remember this. Sometimes the adults in charge just need to tell young people when they're being stupid and to stop wasting their time. Especially when there's video evidence of the seven people's stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJumpUp Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 28 minutes ago, Old guy said: If I may add my bit of obvious evidence to this discussion. As far as I know there are 7 people involved in this mess, 4 males and 3 females, there is a sex act or multiple sex acts that took place, and there was a questionably pre-disclosed and questionably pre-accepted by all parties video of the proceeds which found the way into some degree of distribution, at least in the campus. There is the need to provide ALL of the participants in this fiasco with full due process and a way to voice their points of view and what they did or did not agree upon. This is not a simple task, and it is complicated by apparently present racial issues. If everybody is to get due process and be fully allowed to voice their points of views and objections, this process is not likely to be a short process by any means. Just remember this. Do you refer to the thing in this photo as a hill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tilkowsky Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 46 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: There is absolutely no scenario where this case should even take 60 days let alone longer. Make a decision Why does a decision have to be made soon? So the players can play? From the descriptions of this event it seems that this is a serious event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryB Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 4 hours ago, billiken_roy said: Typical arrogant liberal elitism. DictorB now off my need to read list. A Big +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJumpUp Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 19 minutes ago, Tilkowsky said: Why does a decision have to be made soon? So the players can play? From the descriptions of this event it seems that this is a serious event. Consensual sex on campus doesn't seem to be a serious event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 4 hours ago, billiken_roy said: Typical arrogant liberal elitism. DictorB now off my need to read list. I'm sure Trump is the 1st President to make rude sexual remarks. I highly doubt Bill Clinton or JFK would have spoken like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tilkowsky Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 55 minutes ago, JohnnyJumpUp said: Consensual sex on campus doesn't seem to be a serious event. Agreed. However my understanding is some of the participants are now saying it wasn't consensual. Some posters have said that event allegedly was recorded and distributed electronically around campus. Those two if true are serious events. Would you not agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Just now, Tilkowsky said: Agreed. However my limited understanding is some of the participants are now saying it wasn't consensual. Some posters have said that event allegedly was recorded and distributed electronically around campus. Those two if true are serious events. Would you not agree? You really aren't tied in to the overwhelming one sided accounts are you? But head in the sand in pretty typical for Notre Dame fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 5 hours ago, DoctorB said: OK I'll speak. Clock, you are misreading my remarks, irresponsibly but not necessarily willfully. (Not willful, since It's possible you are simply a very poor reader.) And thanks to guys like 615 and Quality, whose reading skills are superior to yours, for stepping up to my defense. They and others were more successful in unravellling my very very complex prose. In a morbid way, I actually admire the creative reading of my comments by Clock, since it so expertly reveals the epistemological confusions that more and more people are recognizing as essential to the Facebook media culture of our current mess. Bravo Clock for that ingenious reading, coupled with your savvy, Fox News-like pivot away from my actual point! The passage in question is this: "Evidently some are clueless to the general tone of these issues in the media and culture right now; when a guy like Matt Lauer can be summarily fired like he was the other day, I think it's pretty clear that we've reached some sort of unprecedented tipping point on issues of sexual abuse/assault, not to mention simply stupid sexual nonsense like has been alleged in this case." I was making a fairly obvious observation about the "general tone" of sexual misconduct in our culture right now, and my sense that we've reached some kind of "tipping point," meaning we've become ultra-sensitive about these things. One recent illustration of this is Lauer but I could name a couple dozen more, all of which have contributed to this context. As for the timeline of this emergin tipping point, , I suspect a lot of it went on steroids when out great leader's idiotic comments to Billy Bush broke in October 2016, showing the world that he was a serial predator. So Lauer is simply the latest in a long series of idiot sexual conduct being exposed (no pun intended). I even showed how Lauer and the basketball situation are different, by distinguishing Lauer from "simply stupid sexual nonsense." Actually, now that I think of it -- the sentences are not really all that complicated, after all... I am a cultural historian by trade so perhaps I take for granted some of the underlying premises of my remarks. But you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.... Wow. This might be the douchiest response I've ever seen. Congrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 DrB doing DrB things. No surprise here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billboy1 Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Make a damn decision-you're embarrassing the school Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock_Tower Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 7 hours ago, DoctorB said: OK I'll speak. Clock, you are misreading my remarks, irresponsibly but not necessarily willfully. (Not willful, since It's possible you are simply a very poor reader.) And thanks to guys like 615 and Quality, whose reading skills are superior to yours, for stepping up to my defense. They and others were more successful in unravellling my very very complex prose. In a morbid way, I actually admire the creative reading of my comments by Clock, since it so expertly reveals the epistemological confusions that more and more people are recognizing as essential to the Facebook media culture of our current mess. Bravo Clock for that ingenious reading, coupled with your savvy, Fox News-like pivot away from my actual point! The passage in question is this: "Evidently some are clueless to the general tone of these issues in the media and culture right now; when a guy like Matt Lauer can be summarily fired like he was the other day, I think it's pretty clear that we've reached some sort of unprecedented tipping point on issues of sexual abuse/assault, not to mention simply stupid sexual nonsense like has been alleged in this case." I was making a fairly obvious observation about the "general tone" of sexual misconduct in our culture right now, and my sense that we've reached some kind of "tipping point," meaning we've become ultra-sensitive about these things. One recent illustration of this is Lauer but I could name a couple dozen more, all of which have contributed to this context. As for the timeline of this emergin tipping point, , I suspect a lot of it went on steroids when out great leader's idiotic comments to Billy Bush broke in October 2016, showing the world that he was a serial predator. So Lauer is simply the latest in a long series of idiot sexual conduct being exposed (no pun intended). I even showed how Lauer and the basketball situation are different, by distinguishing Lauer from "simply stupid sexual nonsense." Actually, now that I think of it -- the sentences are not really all that complicated, after all... I am a cultural historian by trade so perhaps I take for granted some of the underlying premises of my remarks. But you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.... Cultural historian? Good stuff!! Sound more like a windbag. The worst part, though, is you actually believe the bs you write. And BTW President Trump is not only a great President but also he is your President too. 😂 Enjoy!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 3 hours ago, JohnnyJumpUp said: Do you refer to the thing in this photo as a hill? A big hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tilkowsky Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 3 hours ago, billiken_roy said: You really aren't tied in to the overwhelming one sided accounts are you? But head in the sand in pretty typical for Notre Dame fans. Your head is the one in the sand. Not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 5 hours ago, slufanskip said: I'm sure Trump is the 1st President to make rude sexual remarks. I highly doubt Bill Clinton or JFK would have spoken like that. Forgot LBJ and the blue font ink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 5 hours ago, JohnnyJumpUp said: Consensual sex on campus doesn't seem to be a serious event. Unfortunately more and more young woman are confusing regret and poor choices with sexual assault. Box and Won likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierBilliken Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/1/2017 at 5:26 PM, TFord and TRavs said: Fire pestello Based on S2? I'm just guessing here, but he probably has zero control. The lawyers representing SLU and Pestello's bosses are calling all of the shots as they progress through what probably is a bureaucratic nightmare. They most likely are focused on minimizing future lawsuits against SLU and PR, not whether SLU wins the next few basketball games. But, what do I know? My guess, and its only a guess, is that Rosenblum is a blessing and a curse. On one hand, the players are in good hands. On the other, SLU is going to go slower as not to make any mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, dlarry said: Unfortunately more and more young woman are confusing regret and poor choices with sexual assault. If you give kids the privilege of escaping accountability some of them are going to exercise that option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
615Billiken Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Man, when did Billikens.com become the home of the MAGA mob? Am I on Breitbart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, HoosierBilliken said: Based on S2? I'm just guessing here, but he probably has zero control. The lawyers representing SLU and the top administration are calling all of the shots as they progress through what probably is a bureaucratic nightmare. They most likely are focused on minimizing future lawsuits against SLU and PR, not whether SLU wins the next few basketball games. But, what do I know? I would say SLU is amazingly losing the PR battle even though they were the only participant in that battle until Friday. You think the response of SLU has looked sloppy so far, just wait until their actions are actively challenged in public for a few days. Pestello is the President of the university. The lawyers and top administrators all answer to him. He a has ultimate complete control over everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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