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Just me speculating here but these arrests are just the beginning.

It's one thing to go down for NCAA sanctions to protect someone it's a whole other thing to go down on a Federal crime for someone.  They'll roll.

Also it appears there was/is one or more Title III wire taps in this case.  You conduct an arrest and listen to see what happens sometimes you'll get the evidence you need for more arrests.  Also normally associated with the day you do arrests they normally execute search warrants.  Though they've already looked at all the telephone contacts of all these guys and ran their call logs prior to arrest.

Going to be real interesting to see how this spider webs.

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10 hours ago, slufan13 said:

Evans was under Underwood at Oklahoma St wasn't he?

Underwood hired Evans from S. Carolina when he came to OSU. From what I have gathered, they (FBI) were on to Evans and he was wire tapped at SC before he left for OSU.  One would think if BU was guilty of anything they would have had that info by now and he would be named in the indictment already.  I don't think there is any way that he was involved.   The shoe exec. is even on record stating they don't go after head coaches because they make too much money already and won't take the risk. 

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8 hours ago, brianstl said:

You know that FBI tip line has to be loaded with some hilarious calls from SEC fans.

Maybe the Paul Finebaum show is just a front and they actually are getting intelligence from "Jim Bob in Fayetteville."

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Here are three ways to clean this mess up.

1) Give the 'death penalty' to the coaches, not schools, involved in major violations.  Draw a line in concrete.  'These are Major Violations".  Cross the line, you no longer coach in the NCAA. 

2) Get the NBA to trash the One and Done rule.  These 15 to 20 players per year are the targets for the big bucks from the shoe company.  If you are an exec for Adidas, who do you target, the Justin Tatum's of the world or the Aaron Hines'?  (Names only for examples.)

3) Dismantle the AAU circuit.  The primary goal of the AAU system is to fund itself.  Once you get to the higher AAU levels, the goal is to bring in enough money to keep your machine running.  It is not about the players, it is about the people running the show.  Their hands are out all the time.  "Give our team your shoes and we will talk later."  Do you think these players are paying their airfare to places like Atlanta, Vegas, etc?  Are they paying for their $200 per night hotel room?  The money is coming from 'sponsors' who aren't sponsoring these teams as a matter of civic pride. They know there is payback down the line.

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35 minutes ago, HoosierPal said:

Here are three ways to clean this mess up.

1) Give the 'death penalty' to the coaches, not schools, involved in major violations.  Draw a line in concrete.  'These are Major Violations".  Cross the line, you no longer coach in the NCAA. 

2) Get the NBA to trash the One and Done rule.  These 15 to 20 players per year are the targets for the big bucks from the shoe company.  If you are an exec for Adidas, who do you target, the Justin Tatum's of the world or the Aaron Hines'?  (Names only for examples.)

3) Dismantle the AAU circuit.  The primary goal of the AAU system is to fund itself.  Once you get to the higher AAU levels, the goal is to bring in enough money to keep your machine running.  It is not about the players, it is about the people running the show.  Their hands are out all the time.  "Give our team your shoes and we will talk later."  Do you think these players are paying their airfare to places like Atlanta, Vegas, etc?  Are they paying for their $200 per night hotel room?  The money is coming from 'sponsors' who aren't sponsoring these teams as a matter of civic pride. They know there is payback down the line.

Good post, HoosierPal. Especially #2 -- how can any Kentucky fan get to know the team or the players when it just cycles over year after year?? It dilutes the whole college basketball experience. We got to know and love the Cody Ellises and Rob Lowes and Dwayne Evanses of the world because they came in and grew and matured with the program. And our guys received more than a basketball education - they went to class and graduated! That's what college is all about (in places not named Lexington, Ky). 

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43 minutes ago, HoosierPal said:

Here are three ways to clean this mess up.

1) Give the 'death penalty' to the coaches, not schools, involved in major violations.  Draw a line in concrete.  'These are Major Violations".  Cross the line, you no longer coach in the NCAA. 

2) Get the NBA to trash the One and Done rule.  These 15 to 20 players per year are the targets for the big bucks from the shoe company.  If you are an exec for Adidas, who do you target, the Justin Tatum's of the world or the Aaron Hines'?  (Names only for examples.)

3) Dismantle the AAU circuit.  The primary goal of the AAU system is to fund itself.  Once you get to the higher AAU levels, the goal is to bring in enough money to keep your machine running.  It is not about the players, it is about the people running the show.  Their hands are out all the time.  "Give our team your shoes and we will talk later."  Do you think these players are paying their airfare to places like Atlanta, Vegas, etc?  Are they paying for their $200 per night hotel room?  The money is coming from 'sponsors' who aren't sponsoring these teams as a matter of civic pride. They know there is payback down the line.

 

I agree with #1 to an extent. They already have the show cause rules in place that follow the coaches. If a school gets the 'death penalty', which is obviously very rare, they could dole out a stricter show cause type rule to the coach. 

#2 - I do wonder if we will see an uptick in guys going to the D League out of high school and then being eligible for the draft the next year. 

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1 hour ago, HoosierPal said:

Here are three ways to clean this mess up.

1) Give the 'death penalty' to the coaches, not schools, involved in major violations.  Draw a line in concrete.  'These are Major Violations".  Cross the line, you no longer coach in the NCAA. 

2) Get the NBA to trash the One and Done rule.  These 15 to 20 players per year are the targets for the big bucks from the shoe company.  If you are an exec for Adidas, who do you target, the Justin Tatum's of the world or the Aaron Hines'?  (Names only for examples.)

3) Dismantle the AAU circuit.  The primary goal of the AAU system is to fund itself.  Once you get to the higher AAU levels, the goal is to bring in enough money to keep your machine running.  It is not about the players, it is about the people running the show.  Their hands are out all the time.  "Give our team your shoes and we will talk later."  Do you think these players are paying their airfare to places like Atlanta, Vegas, etc?  Are they paying for their $200 per night hotel room?  The money is coming from 'sponsors' who aren't sponsoring these teams as a matter of civic pride. They know there is payback down the line.

this is without the best post you have ever written.  i completely agree with every point you make.  great great job!   

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11 hours ago, CGMAN618 said:

Underwood hired Evans from S. Carolina when he came to OSU. From what I have gathered, they (FBI) were on to Evans and he was wire tapped at SC before he left for OSU.  One would think if BU was guilty of anything they would have had that info by now and he would be named in the indictment already.  I don't think there is any way that he was involved.   The shoe exec. is even on record stating they don't go after head coaches because they make too much money already and won't take the risk. 

People who are already rich don't commit financial crimes?

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21 hours ago, TFord and TRavs said:

Fbi has an anonymous tip line. Maybe we can nudge them towards mi$ou

Seriously though, Mizzou is just paying the dad of their 5 star recruit directly which I think is shady, but no where near as shady as money being funneled to players/handlers via shoe companies.  Somehow this situation makes Mizzou look cleaner.  :huh:

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22 hours ago, TFord and TRavs said:

Fbi has an anonymous tip line. Maybe we can nudge them towards mi$ou

I don't think any school needs to be pointing fingers here.  SLU seems to be recruiting much much better than they have in the past.  As a fan of both teams, hopefully Cuonzo and Ford stay out out the headlines.  

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