Billiken Rich Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Are we sure Graves is going to play at second semester this year? Wouldn't he have a full year of eligibility if he sat this whole year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 On 8/12/2017 at 11:50 AM, Billiken Rich said: Are we sure Graves is going to play at second semester this year? Wouldn't he have a full year of eligibility if he sat this whole year? Can you sit out three straight semesters and preserve a year? Seems like an awful long time to sit idle during your college career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted August 14, 2017 Author Share Posted August 14, 2017 16 minutes ago, hsmith19 said: Can you sit out three straight semesters and preserve a year? Seems like an awful long time to sit idle during your college career. Graves has 3.5 years of eligibility left. The second semester of this season is when he becomes eligible again. He will then have three more years of eligibility - assuming all NCAA paperwork clears - beginning with the 2018-2019 season. If he sits this full season, he will not gain another semester of eligibility. Put another way, if he gets through his fifth (senior) year after having sat this entire season (or 1.5 seasons total), he can't play the first half of another season after that. So he'd be sacrificing a half season of eligibility for no reason. There is no benefit to having him sit any more than he has to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slusam Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 I thought the same thing when he transferred but some on this board corrected me. You lose a full year of eligibility for every year you play in. He will have 2.5 years left. To me it doesnt make sense to transfer after the first semester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Pistol said: Graves has 3.5 years of eligibility left. The second semester of this season is when he becomes eligible again. He will then have three more years of eligibility - assuming all NCAA paperwork clears - beginning with the 2018-2019 season. If he sits this full season, he will not gain another semester of eligibility. Put another way, if he gets through his fifth (senior) year after having sat this entire season (or 1.5 seasons total), he can't play the first half of another season after that. So he'd be sacrificing a half season of eligibility for no reason. There is no benefit to having him sit any more than he has to. 5 minutes ago, slusam said: I thought the same thing when he transferred but some on this board corrected me. You lose a full year of eligibility for every year you play in. He will have 2.5 years left. To me it doesnt make sense to transfer after the first semester. This is (partially) incorrect (both posts). Eligibility goes by years, not half-years. Ty Graves has used one year of eligibility and has three years left. He has not used a redshirt year. Because he must sit out two semesters in residence after transferring, he can't begin his second year of eligibility until after the first semester ends. If, however, he were to redshirt this season, then he'd have three full seasons left to play beginning in 2018-19. Edited August 14, 2017 by Quality Is Job 1 Clarity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 25 minutes ago, Pistol said: Graves has 3.5 years of eligibility left. The second semester of this season is when he becomes eligible again. He will then have three more years of eligibility - assuming all NCAA paperwork clears - beginning with the 2018-2019 season. If he sits this full season, he will not gain another semester of eligibility. Put another way, if he gets through his fifth (senior) year after having sat this entire season (or 1.5 seasons total), he can't play the first half of another season after that. So he'd be sacrificing a half season of eligibility for no reason. There is no benefit to having him sit any more than he has to. Yeah, that's what I figured, since he spent the first semester last year at BC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted August 14, 2017 Author Share Posted August 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Quality Is Job 1 said: This is (partially) incorrect (both posts). Eligibility goes by years, not half-years. Ty Graves has used one year of eligibility and has three years left. He has not used a redshirt year. Because he must sit out two semesters in residence after transferring, he can't begin his second year of eligibility until after the first semester ends. If, however, he were to redshirt this season, then he'd have three full seasons left to play beginning in 2018-19. I thought players have 5 years to complete 4 seasons of eligibility (6 years if 2 medical redshirts are taken). So in theory he'd be able to play 4 full seasons, but mid-season transfers aren't granted redshirts? I didn't realize that. So if this is the case, then Rich may have been right. He could sit 3 consecutive semesters after playing 1 and play 3 full years at his destination school instead of 2.5. Regardless, he's not getting a full four years and this rule makes transferring mid-season really unappealing. Still, I want to confirm this rule. I can't find it in here: http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2017-18_Transfer_Guide_4_Year_20170721.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 On 8/10/2017 at 7:29 PM, brianstl said: Toot, toot express coming through. That's what I'm talking about. From a Sports Geek standpoint this schedule has 2 visits to Storied US Sports Sites: MSG and Hinkle. That's pretty awesome and I would love to see SLU play in both. I'll be watching on TV cause I won't be able to make it this season. From a BB standpoint last year's RPIs aren't all that impressive for most of the teams but a few project to be better. A few regional schools SEMO, Rockhurst, SIU, Former Conference Foes: Houston, Butler, way back SIU and Detroit right? Jesuit/other Catholic Schools: Seattle, Rockhurst, maybe Providence, Detroit Power 5 Conference Games: Butler, Providence/UW, VT, Oregon St. Last Year NCAA Teams: VT, Providence (maybe), Butler (Sweet 16), Last Year NIT: Houston Last Year CIT: Campbell Schools Coached by Former SLU Players: Rockhurst Schools formerly coached by former SLU Coaches: UW (maybe) Sets up well, gives us 2 games to get lineups and jitters out. Gives us a good buy game during Finals (I think). I like and think they did a good job scheduling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorydays2013 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Butler seems to be rebuilding next year somewhat. On paper, we are actually pretty equally matched teams, and we have more upperclassmen then they will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 2 hours ago, Pistol said: I thought players have 5 years to complete 4 seasons of eligibility (6 years if 2 medical redshirts are taken). So in theory he'd be able to play 4 full seasons, but mid-season transfers aren't granted redshirts? I didn't realize that. So if this is the case, then Rich may have been right. He could sit 3 consecutive semesters after playing 1 and play 3 full years at his destination school instead of 2.5. Regardless, he's not getting a full four years and this rule makes transferring mid-season really unappealing. Still, I want to confirm this rule. I can't find it in here: http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2017-18_Transfer_Guide_4_Year_20170721.pdf He definitely COULD sit all of next year and have 3 years of eligibility remaining. That being said, I'd be stunned if he did that and honestly the only way I see it happening is if he gets hurt during practices in the fall. Additionally, we always talk about the seasons as if they are 0.5 increments but he'll only miss 12 games (11 D1 games) next year out of a minimum 32 game season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted August 14, 2017 Author Share Posted August 14, 2017 14 minutes ago, kshoe said: He definitely COULD sit all of next year and have 3 years of eligibility remaining. That being said, I'd be stunned if he did that and honestly the only way I see it happening is if he gets hurt during practices in the fall. Additionally, we always talk about the seasons as if they are 0.5 increments but he'll only miss 12 games (11 D1 games) next year out of a minimum 32 game season. That's true, but he won't be around for the 2020-2021 season and he could've been had he transferred after a full year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Just now, Pistol said: That's true, but he won't be around for the 2020-2021 season and he could've been had he transferred after a full year. He could still be around for that season if he wants. He could sit out all of this coming year and he gets the 2020-21 season. It's not the decision to transfer mid-year that loses him 2020-21, it's his decision on whether to play this upcoming year that loses or keeps it. His decision to transfer mid-year only cost him the remaining season with BC. I agree in general mid-season transfers don't make a ton of sense but at the same time if you aren't happy somewhere and don't want to spend the rest of the year there, a mid-season transfer gives you the opportunity to still sit out the following season with no harm done. If you'd rather have 2/3 of the near season instead of 3/3 of a season 3 years from now, then playing as soon as possible the next season makes sense. From SLU's perspective we'll want him to play because we value the certainty of having him around for 2/3 of next year more than the uncertainty of having him around for the full 20-21 season, particularly given he'd likely be a 5th year eligible grad-transfer at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 7 minutes ago, kshoe said: He could still be around for that season if he wants. He could sit out all of this coming year and he gets the 2020-21 season. It's not the decision to transfer mid-year that loses him 2020-21, it's his decision on whether to play this upcoming year that loses or keeps it. His decision to transfer mid-year only cost him the remaining season with BC. I agree in general mid-season transfers don't make a ton of sense but at the same time if you aren't happy somewhere and don't want to spend the rest of the year there, a mid-season transfer gives you the opportunity to still sit out the following season with no harm done. If you'd rather have 2/3 of the near season instead of 3/3 of a season 3 years from now, then playing as soon as possible the next season makes sense. From SLU's perspective we'll want him to play because we value the certainty of having him around for 2/3 of next year more than the uncertainty of having him around for the full 20-21 season, particularly given he'd likely be a 5th year eligible grad-transfer at that point. That assumes the grad transfer rule still exists then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted August 15, 2017 Author Share Posted August 15, 2017 Stu's article today has some good perspective on scheduling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Maybe the NCAA should step in and limit the # of home games for all teams - in other words you have to play 25% of your non conf schedule on the road excluding tournaments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 5 minutes ago, cheeseman said: Maybe the NCAA should step in and limit the # of home games for all teams - in other words you have to play 25% of your non conf schedule on the road excluding tournaments. I don't think the NCAA can do this explicitly. They took a step towards hopefully fixing the problem by making road games count more towards NCAA selection. Conferences could have a scheduling mandate, but that really would do nothing for the smaller conferences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Just now, JMM28 said: I don't think the NCAA can do this explicitly. They took a step towards hopefully fixing the problem by making road games count more towards NCAA selection. Conferences could have a scheduling mandate, but that really would do nothing for the smaller conferences. I thought they did something to force scheduling for football? I doubt the conf will do anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Quote “If you think you have an NCAA (Tournament) team,” Ford said, “you schedule to where you at least have a chance.” This is the biggest takeaway from that article. Ford thinks this team has a real shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 26 minutes ago, Pistol said: Stu's article today has some good perspective on scheduling. Good peak under the hood about what goes into scheduling. Stu and the evil commie P-D have had several good offseason articles. Glad to see them looking at Georgetown and Wichita State. Those would be excellent home/homes. With Wichita State moving out of the Valley, I think there could be a real opportunity. Their fans have been coming to St. Louis for the Valley Tournament for a long time. They travel very well. Playing us gives them a good do-able road trip now that they are in an East Coast league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Littlebill said: This is the biggest takeaway from that article. Ford thinks this team has a real shot. indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 If it comes down to it, even taking a CBI/CIT invite this year would make sense, a la Majerus in 2010. I know those third tourneys have diminished in quality since then, but it would still be cool to get some postseason experience and a chance to see the new guys at home for a few more games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 I'd pay to see it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonwich Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 4 hours ago, Littlebill said: This is the biggest takeaway from that article. Ford thinks this team has a real shot. "I know we're going to be crappy this year, so I scheduled a bunch of creampuffs," said no coach ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 2 hours ago, hsmith19 said: If it comes down to it, even taking a CBI/CIT invite this year would make sense, a la Majerus in 2010. I know those third tourneys have diminished in quality since then, but it would still be cool to get some postseason experience and a chance to see the new guys at home for a few more games. Correct me if im wrong, but wasnt that CBI team full of fr and so? We have to many legit jr this season to go there this year imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slubillikens43 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, wgstl said: Correct me if im wrong, but wasnt that CBI team full of fr and so? We have to many legit jr this season to go there this year imo +1 Making the CBI would honestly not be anything to cheer about with the experience/talent we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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