brianstl Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, Glorydays2013 said: If Goodwin plays point , what will Graves role be? Who says that can't be on the court at the same time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 1 hour ago, brianstl said: Cussamano said multiple times that was a big part of Travis's sales pitch to Goodwin. If Cussamano said it you can believe he heard that directly from Travis's mouth. The link you provided didn't work. So you say the he said that he said, makes it true? "Jordan, I believe you can play point guard for SLU." Yes "Jordan, I turned Marcus Smart into an NBA Point Guard, I can do the same for you". Yes "Jordan, I will coach you to the best of my ability to make you into an elite point guard". Yes "Jordan, your time at Point Guard will depend on how bad you want it. Just like everyone else, you earn your playing time" Yes "Jordan, I promise you that you will start at PG game 1, no matter what. You don 't have to do a thing, I will just give you the keys." No Under your scenario, did the recruiting conversation with Ty Graves go, something like, "Well Ty, I already promised Jordan all the time he wants at PG from game 1, but you can have the 4 or 5 minutes when he needs a rest." No Jordan Goodwin will be SLU's starting point guard IF/WHEN he earns it. I have never met Mr. Goodwin, but I seriously doubt he wants anything given to him on a silver platter. He will want to show his coach and teammates that he has worked his behind off to earn his status on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorydays2013 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Graves just seems to me as more of a true pg. what is Goodwin's ball handling like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, Glorydays2013 said: Graves just seems to me as more of a true pg. what is Goodwin's ball handling like? We had Jordair/MMJ/Kwamain and all of them shared the court with each other in their careers. It is possible to not be tied down into a single position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Being 5'11 doesn't automatically make you a point guard. Graves is a guard. He shoots threes and he can handle the ball. The best returning players we have at guard are Bishop and Roby. He must think he's talented enough to beat out those guys or he wouldn't be here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastBilliken Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 We have this guy named Arron Hines... whats all the worry about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsgo Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, WestCoastBilliken said: We have this guy named Arron Hines... whats all the worry about? On a semi serious note, I wonder if Hines has graduated by now... have to think a smaller program in need of a PG might give him a scholly for a year as a grad transfer. If that's something he'd be interested in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorydays2013 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 25 minutes ago, 3star_recruit said: Being 5'11 doesn't automatically make you a point guard. Graves is a guard. He shoots threes and he can handle the ball. The best returning players we have at guard are Bishop and Roby. He must think he's talented enough to beat out those guys or he wouldn't be here. Am I wrong or does that not put us at a disadvantage defensively?! Ford was criticized by OSU fans for not having recruiting taller players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 12 minutes ago, Glorydays2013 said: Am I wrong or does that not put us at a disadvantage defensively?! Ford was criticized by OSU fans for not having recruiting taller players Jim Crews can recruit a team that looks good coming out of the tunnel, in airports, and in the team picture. Ford was criticized for notrecruiting for a post presence. Not for recruiting small players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 16 minutes ago, Glorydays2013 said: Am I wrong or does that not put us at a disadvantage defensively?! Ford was criticized by OSU fans for not having recruiting taller players Kwamain Mitchell, Jordair Jett, and Mike McCall were all around 5'11 and we're some of the best defensive guards in the league and the nation. You could not be more wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorydays2013 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said: Kwamain Mitchell, Jordair Jett, and Mike McCall were all around 5'11 and we're some of the best defensive guards in the league and the nation. You could not be more wrong. All I'm saying is osu fans say a height mismatch was a factor to their loss in the tourney. Whether or not that is true, it's what they complained about Ford for. Also jordair has a hell of a lot more size than Graves. And I said height mismatch is a disadvantage in basketball. You said I was wrong so tell me how that is not a disadvantage. Giving an example of shorter defensive players is not really an answer. Even under crews, they ran a Rick M style of play that focuses on defense. Ford's style focuses more offensively. Different games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Graves has a quick release and is a freak athlete. As long as he's playing alongside a big guard, he'll do fine. Goodwin or Henriquez can guard the 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Hoops Insider Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Doesn't Adonis have a former UCF teammate that will be a grad transfer, 6'10 big. That would be an angle they could try. And yeah, McCall started all 4 years next to small guards, so yeah Graves and Goodwin could both start together. And I do think Ford promised Goodwin a starting spot. Top 100 players don't take chances on losing programs from non-governmental conferences without certain assurances. People are going to focus on that last sentence, but I don't mean that as any slight to SLU because we all saw the heights this program could reach from 2012-2014. Those teams could compete with anybody. I believe Majerus made the same promise to Kwamain when he said he was giving him the keys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorydays2013 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I just think our offense would run better with Graves at point and players like Goodwin and French to play it to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 More images Jordair Jett Basketball player Jordair Jett is an American professional basketball player who last played for the Southland Sharks of the New Zealand National Basketball League. Wikipedia Born: August 17, 1991 (age 25 years) Height: 6′ 1″ Weight: 215 lbs Current team: Saint Louis Billikens men's basketball(#5 / Guard) High school: Notre Dame Preparatory School Parents: Glenda Jett Pro career: 2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Mike McCall Jr. Deportivo Quevedo Position Point guard League Liga Ecuatoriana de Baloncesto Personal information Born June 16, 1991 (age 25)Chicago, Illinois Nationality American Listed height 6 ft 0 in (1.83 m) Listed weight 180 lb (82 kg) Career information High school Foreman (Chicago, Illinois) College Saint Louis (2010–2014) NBA draft 2014 / Undrafted Playing career 2014–present Career history 2014–2015 Iowa Energy 2015–present Deportivo Quevedo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 36 minutes ago, Glorydays2013 said: I just think our offense would run better with Graves at point and players like Goodwin and French to play it to Well the good news for Billiken Nation is that your thoughts on our offense don't matter. also Hasahn French is a power forward.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgbilliken Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 7 hours ago, HoosierPal said: If a Grad Transfer is coming, and I would prefer one over a normal transfer to even out classes, I personally would prefer an experienced Point Guard over a Post Player. Right now, with no departures, we have Bishop, Hines, (combo guards) and two untested freshmen - one not available for 1/3 of the year. I would rather not spend 1/2 next season with OJT, but let the young un's get their feet wet slowly. And I do agree the loophole needs to be tightened. I would be interested on the % of the Grad Transfers that actually graduate with their masters. I was interested in this too - data used here is a little old (2011-2012) but I would be surprised if it changed much since then. This shows the academic outcomes of D1 graduate transfers at the two year mark. Looks like men's basketball about 32% have gotten a graduate degree by the two year mark. Honestly much higher than I expected. http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/tracking-division-i-graduate-transfers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorydays2013 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I know.... and ty is listed at 6'0 165. That doesn't matter. The question was if height can be a disadvantage in a height mismatch 16 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said: also Hasahn French is a power forward.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 32 minutes ago, Glorydays2013 said: I know.... and ty is listed at 6'0 165. That doesn't matter. The question was if height can be a disadvantage in a height mismatch it was a dumb question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorydays2013 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Alrigtht you guys are going to hate me a lot, but Duane Wilson from Marquette is an immediately eligible Grad Transfer. I know him personally and played against him in High School. He is a Dominican guy who played with Diamond Stone. The kid is a stud and destroyed us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorydays2013 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 MILWAUKEE -- Junior guard Duane Wilson is leaving Marquette and plans to transfer to another school as a graduate student for his final year of eligibility. The Milwaukee native leaves his hometown program after three seasons. He averaged 4.8 points over 30 games in 2016-17, making seven starts. Wilson is on track to graduate from Marquette in May and would be eligible to play with a new team this fall. His playing time had decreased since his freshman year in 2014-15, which was Steve Wojciechowski's first year as coach. Wilson averaged 11.9 points that season, when he started 29 of 32 games. He was initially recruited by Wojciechowski's predecessor, Buzz Williams, who left after the 2013-14 season. Wilson was redshirted that year following a preseason injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Hoops Insider Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, Glorydays2013 said: MILWAUKEE -- Junior guard Duane Wilson is leaving Marquette and plans to transfer to another school as a graduate student for his final year of eligibility. The Milwaukee native leaves his hometown program after three seasons. He averaged 4.8 points over 30 games in 2016-17, making seven starts. Wilson is on track to graduate from Marquette in May and would be eligible to play with a new team this fall. His playing time had decreased since his freshman year in 2014-15, which was Steve Wojciechowski's first year as coach. Wilson averaged 11.9 points that season, when he started 29 of 32 games. He was initially recruited by Wojciechowski's predecessor, Buzz Williams, who left after the 2013-14 season. Wilson was redshirted that year following a preseason injury. So, he's graduating in 3 years? Smart kid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorydays2013 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 1 minute ago, STL Hoops Insider said: So, he's graduating in 3 years? Smart kid no he was injured 1 year and had to red shirt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Hoops Insider Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 It says his freshman years was 14-15 and that Buzz Williams recruited him before he left in 2013-2014. The article is misleading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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