brianstl Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 44 minutes ago, Glorydays2013 said: I spoke to some Illinois fans and the consensus I got was that they would rather see them go, and they are only worried about Tillman leaving 19 minutes ago, Pistol said: I would be worried about losing more than just Tilmon. Pickett is an excellent player, and their two other recruits - Trent Frazier and DaMonte Williams - could both contribute immediately. Plus, they're in a good position with Mark Smith, Alonzo Verge, and a couple others, and they have two more spots available for the incoming class. A coaching change could be what they need in the long term, but if these players like Groce and his staff, it could be quite disruptive in the short term. Pickett, Williams and Frazier are more important to the long term health of the Illini than Tilmon. Tilmon is the bright shiny object, but he would be there for only a couple of years at most. Guys like the other 3 are what you actually build a program with. We, Billiken fans, focused on Tilmon because he was local and would fill an obvious glaring whole on the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorydays2013 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 1 hour ago, slufan13 said: Per ESPN, Illinois did not rank in the top 40 of recruiting classes in 2016. Michigan St, Indiana, Michigan, Iowa, Maryland, Penn St, Ohio St, and Minnesota all ranked higher than the Illini. In 2015, they ranked 21st, behind Ohio St and Michigan St in the Big 10 In 2014, they did not rank in the top 40. They were behind Ohio St, Maryland, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan St, Northwestern, and Michigan in the Big 10. Per Rivals. Illinois did not rank in the top 35 recruiting classes in 2016. Minnesota, Michigan, Penn St, Indiana, Maryland, and Michigan St were ranked higher than Illinois. In 2015, the ranked 19th behind Ohio St. Cannot find anything for 2014. So not sure where you are getting your information. For 2017, they have a highly rated recruiting class which has been discussed extensively on this board and which Pistol and brianstl have pointed out the key members of that class. http://www.verbalcommits.com/conferences/big-ten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franchise_08 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Nice sophomore class Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 2 hours ago, Glorydays2013 said: http://www.verbalcommits.com/conferences/big-ten So they have a highly ranked class of 2017. But according to all the major recruiting sites, their recruit class has not ranked at the top of the big 10 in any of the previous years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorydays2013 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 The link I posted shows that their current roster's average players are rated 2nd highest in the B10. I don't know what the confusion is or recruiting class ranking has to do with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 13 minutes ago, Glorydays2013 said: The link I posted shows that their current roster's average players are rated 2nd highest in the B10. I don't know what the confusion is or recruiting class ranking has to do with it The VC composite ratings are not a great measure. They're incomplete, and don't draw in every rating service the way they're intended to. I know the owner said he was working on that, but at this point, you shouldn't put much stock in those. I don't even look at them, to be honest. It's way more reliable to go to each individual scouting service for rankings and ratings. What slufan13 put together is a way more accurate portrayal of where Illinois' roster stacks up within the Big Ten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Pistol said: The VC composite ratings are not a great measure. They're incomplete, and don't draw in every rating service the way they're intended to. I know the owner said he was working on that, but at this point, you shouldn't put much stock in those. I don't even look at them, to be honest. It's way more reliable to go to each individual scouting service for rankings and ratings. What slufan13 put together is a way more accurate portrayal of where Illinois' roster stacks up within the Big Ten. Thank you. Verbal commits is a nice website in terms of who you are recruiting but not a great source in evaluating recruiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted February 2, 2017 Author Share Posted February 2, 2017 Baylor Kansas on deuce to help withdrawal from our game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majerus mojo Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Florida up 51-21 on Mizzou right now, with 18 mins to go, on ESPN 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Missouri in a tight one. Down only 28 points, at half. 48-20 Gators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Great job Mizzou. You kept it under 40. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted February 3, 2017 Author Share Posted February 3, 2017 unwatchable. Wiz what would be prediction if we did play them now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBFan Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 I checked into the Missouri game for about 10 minutes and turned it off what a mess in Columbia. I think SLU can beat them I wonder what the wiz numbers would show I would probably be surprised and Missouri has a higher rating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBFan Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 1 minute ago, almaman said: unwatchable. Wiz what would be prediction if we did play them now? You and I with the same thought and the same time, scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted February 3, 2017 Author Share Posted February 3, 2017 and only boyz in clubhouse 1/2 the game last night. i have no life is my excuse. don't do Facebook either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billslasttermdropout Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 21 minutes ago, CBFan said: I checked into the Missouri game for about 10 minutes and turned it off what a mess in Columbia. I think SLU can beat them I wonder what the wiz numbers would show I would probably be surprised and Missouri has a higher rating. Something like Tigers by 3 but SLU would be playing with 4 and Jake in goal. Ouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted February 3, 2017 Author Share Posted February 3, 2017 is there a decent team in Missouri or Illinois this year or last 3 for that matter? I guess NW best of the lot, may finally get into tournament this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted February 3, 2017 Author Share Posted February 3, 2017 Pacific where Miles Reynolds transferred on ESPNU. can't spot him on bench or behind though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 10 hours ago, almaman said: is there a decent team in Missouri or Illinois this year or last 3 for that matter? I guess NW best of the lot, may finally get into tournament this year. Illinois State is leading the Valley so far, having topped Wichita State in their first game. The rematch is tomorrow @ Wichita. ISU currently has an RPI mid-30's, right where NW is ranked. Both could make the NCAA as At-Large teams. Yarbrough is still listed on their roster, so I assume his 'episode' has been resolved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted February 3, 2017 Author Share Posted February 3, 2017 I'll look for him, assuming game is on somewhere. Did spot Miles behind bench in his game last night I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 1 hour ago, HoosierPal said: Illinois State is leading the Valley so far, having topped Wichita State in their first game. The rematch is tomorrow @ Wichita. ISU currently has an RPI mid-30's, right where NW is ranked. Both could make the NCAA as At-Large teams. Yarbrough is still listed on their roster, so I assume his 'episode' has been resolved. ISU just lost one of their top guys, MiKyle Mcintosh for a handful of weeks with a meniscus injury. But one of Yarbrough's cell mates got arrested again in the past couple days, Deontae Hawkins. He should probably be suspended, but who knows. They should make the tournament though, even as an at-large. Northwestern should be in their first tournament in school history, which is probably one of the crazier streaks going in sports now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 11 hours ago, almaman said: Pacific where Miles Reynolds transferred on ESPNU. can't spot him on bench or behind though. If it's a road game he wouldn't travel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted February 3, 2017 Author Share Posted February 3, 2017 25 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said: If it's a road game he wouldn't travel thanks but was a home game. not sure it was him but did look lie him. they never gave a very good closeup of the bench Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 15 hours ago, almaman said: unwatchable. Wiz what would be prediction if we did play them now? Mizzou by 4 at the Fetz. Mizzou is a C team in an A- conf. SLU is a D- team in a B conf. Generally you need to be within 1 full letter grade of your conference's grade to be competitive. If you are 2 full letter grades away you are a bottom feeder. Mizzou and SLU = bottom feeders. To the question of can we beat Mizzou.... The answer is yes. We just swept a team better than Mizzou ( GM ...C+ ) home and away. So if we played with the same intensity and focus we could beat them Beating a team 2 full letter grades away is considered an upset. Anything inside of that is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 25 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Mizzou by 4 at the Fetz. Mizzou is a C team in an A- conf. SLU is a D- team in a B conf. Generally you need to be within 1 full letter grade of your conference's grade to be competitive. If you are 2 full letter grades away you are a bottom feeder. Mizzou and SLU = bottom feeders. To the question of can we beat Mizzou.... The answer is yes. We just swept a team better than Mizzou ( GM ...C+ ) home and away. So if we played with the same intensity and focus we could beat them Beating a team 2 full letter grades away is considered an upset. Anything inside of that is possible. Considering Mizzou's lengthy losing streak on the road and an apparent total lack of confidence, I'm going to have to say, "No bet!" The game isn't played on paper. Nor is it played in computer algorithms. SLU by 7 at 'Fetz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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