Old guy Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Again, no dispute there. The same applies in the reverse order, I am afraid to say. Several years ago I was at a conference in Milwaukee, in a grand old hotel there, cannot remember the name, the concierge at the hotel was a Harvard graduate who could not understand why his degree had not got him further. I have met Harvard educated cab drivers. And of course Gates was a Harvard drop out (he really had more to offer than Harvard did), Jobs his alter ego was also a drop out (Reed). I also knew a lady that had graduated from a small school with a business degree and got a job as a bookeeper for a then small brewer in Boston who paid her mostly in stock. She eventually quit her job to go get a formal MBA at Harvard and sold her stock in the company in order to do so. Unfortunately for her, the brewing company, which had grown and become successful, went through an IPO and became public shortly after she got her MBA. The company was Sam Adams, her stock would have been worth $3 M after the IPO, or some similarly ridiculously high amount, had she not left the company to get the Harvard MBA. The person determines the outcome, not the degree or the school. Agree entirely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 37 minutes ago, bonwich said: No dispute there. But I do bemoan the specialization and chasing a specific career path that seems to have grown in higher ed at the expense of a more broadly grounded curriculum. WhoTF knows/knew their freshman/sophomore year what they want/ed to be when they grow up? A certain pragmatic marketing professor not-so-gently prodded me out of my initial theatre/poli sci double major into math and economics. And of course I then spent the bulk of my career in none-of-the-above. (Although I must admit that teaching econ was a godsend to make ends meet while writing for an alternative newspaper, and I just last week greatly impressed a construction/engineering client by correctly describing a Fibonacci sequence. ) Luckily SLU has a pretty decent liberal arts core, or at least I assume it hasn't changed drastically since I went there. And I've frequently found that folks I've hired with screwy educational backgrounds (philosophy, Eastern European languages, and even a freshly dropped-out med student for a corporate communications position) have outperformed folks with fairly straight-line career paths. And Steve Jobs, for instance, dropped out of Reed College and credits a calligraphy course he took there for helping him develop an appreciation for aesthetics and visual design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 For those asking about Paul White in this thread, he's transferring to Oregon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 1 hour ago, Old guy said: Again, no dispute there. The same applies in the reverse order, I am afraid to say. Several years ago I was at a conference in Milwaukee, in a grand old hotel there, cannot remember the name, the concierge at the hotel was a Harvard graduate who could not understand why his degree had not got him further. I have met Harvard educated cab drivers. And of course Gates was a Harvard drop out (he really had more to offer than Harvard did), Jobs his alter ego was also a drop out (Reed). I also knew a lady that had graduated from a small school with a business degree and got a job as a bookeeper for a then small brewer in Boston who paid her mostly in stock. She eventually quit her job to go get a formal MBA at Harvard and sold her stock in the company in order to do so. Unfortunately for her, the brewing company, which had grown and become successful, went through an IPO and became public shortly after she got her MBA. The company was Sam Adams, her stock would have been worth $3 M after the IPO, or some similarly ridiculously high amount, had she not left the company to get the Harvard MBA. The person determines the outcome, not the degree or the school. Agree entirely. I've had cab drivers who were Napoleon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 You are free not to believe what I say almaman. There are a lot of people called Napoleon, and some of them believe to be THE Napoleon, I am surprised you found the emperor driving a taxi since taxis are registered, could you be confused with an Uber? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 37 minutes ago, Old guy said: You are free not to believe what I say almaman. There are a lot of people called Napoleon, and some of them believe to be THE Napoleon, I am surprised you found the emperor driving a taxi since taxis are registered, could you be confused with an Uber? Goober maybe. no in general i hear what your saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonwich Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 On 8/31/2016 at 3:01 PM, Old guy said: Several years ago I was at a conference in Milwaukee, in a grand old hotel there, cannot remember the name, Likely the Pfister. the concierge at the hotel was a Harvard graduate who could not understand why his degree had not got him further. Two words: Bill Haas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 So, you know the place and the guy. Very nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Back on some remote form of topic, does anyone know how former Billikens do historically when facing SLU after transferring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 25 minutes ago, slufan13 said: Back on some remote form of topic, does anyone know how former Billikens do historically when facing SLU after transferring? Has it even happened? Did Valparaiso play SLU after Keith Carter became eligible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 As to transfers out of SLU, I don't recall much success by guys leaving SLU. Ricky Frazier might be my lone exception. I guess Jason Edwin did okay at Kent State; Jeff Ford at SW Missouri State. Jon Smith was a mediocre water carrier at Ohio. Although some might argue Marcus Relaphord had a nice year at Colorado. I never thought Julian Winfield lived up to his billing either here or at Mizzou. But he had a decent career in Booneville. Most transfers did little ...... Jared Drew, Tanner Lancona, Justin Jordan, Brett Thompson, Jeff Reid was hurt, Mark Alcorn got cancer, Melvin Robinson flunked out, Johnnie Parker, John Seyfert, Dustin Maguire, Knollmeyer, Mitchell, Carlos Skinner one year at WKU or some OVC team, Vincent Smith, etc. Most guys just disappeared on leaving ---- Caswell, Adkins, Cranford (maybe not), Halliburton, Pulley, Becton, In the not-too-recent past, transfers did not seem as prevalent then as they are today. We were hit-or-miss too .... yes we scored with Waldman and Bryant and Roeder but not so much with Mimlitz and Pederson and Jamal Johnson. Strictly my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FromDaEastSide Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 2 hours ago, Quality Is Job 1 said: Has it even happened? Did Valparaiso play SLU after Keith Carter became eligible? Carter did not play against SLU. He was still ineligible when we went to Valpo on 12/7/13. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonwich Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 20 hours ago, Old guy said: So, you know the place and the guy. Very nice. Naw. Not the guy. Just another Harvard (and Yale) graduate who couldn't understand why his degree hadn't gotten him further. As an Old Guy who's no doubt been around these parts for a while, I'm surprised you didn't recognize his name. Quick Bill Haas bio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 He's a Democrat again this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 3 hours ago, bonwich said: Naw. Not the guy. Just another Harvard (and Yale) graduate who couldn't understand why his degree hadn't gotten him further. As an Old Guy who's no doubt been around these parts for a while, I'm surprised you didn't recognize his name. Quick Bill Haas bio That is because I lived in the Boston area (from the time I started my post graduate) from 1974 to 2002. I only came to St. Louis after a divorce when I got a nice job offer here. I must say that I really like it, the only thing I miss is the sea and the sail boats. Harvard (with MIT) were in those days the core of the PRC (People's Republic of Cambridge). Yale, was reputedly located in the "Beirut of America.", New Haven, a really rough place during my youth, but so was Baltimore with the block and all the stuff around it. The Hopkins Medical Center used to sport 12 foot link fences topped with barbed wire and armed cops with dogs patrolling the area. Armed guards would escort you at night to your apartment when requested. The East coast can be very rough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 23 hours ago, Taj79 said: As to transfers out of SLU, I don't recall much success by guys leaving SLU. Ricky Frazier might be my lone exception. I guess Jason Edwin did okay at Kent State; Jeff Ford at SW Missouri State. Jon Smith was a mediocre water carrier at Ohio. Although some might argue Marcus Relaphord had a nice year at Colorado. I never thought Julian Winfield lived up to his billing either here or at Mizzou. But he had a decent career in Booneville. Most transfers did little ...... Jared Drew, Tanner Lancona, Justin Jordan, Brett Thompson, Jeff Reid was hurt, Mark Alcorn got cancer, Melvin Robinson flunked out, Johnnie Parker, John Seyfert, Dustin Maguire, Knollmeyer, Mitchell, Carlos Skinner one year at WKU or some OVC team, Vincent Smith, etc. Most guys just disappeared on leaving ---- Caswell, Adkins, Cranford (maybe not), Halliburton, Pulley, Becton, In the not-too-recent past, transfers did not seem as prevalent then as they are today. We were hit-or-miss too .... yes we scored with Waldman and Bryant and Roeder but not so much with Mimlitz and Pederson and Jamal Johnson. Strictly my opinion. Jamal Johnson 12.9 / 7.1 in 95-96 One of the better seasons by a Billiken big in the last 25 or so years. I wouldn't call him a miss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 I'll agree on that one skip. I admit to internal biases there. Guess it stems from him turning us down for Miami of Florida for his first three years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 4 hours ago, Taj79 said: I'll agree on that one skip. I admit to internal biases there. Guess it stems from him turning us down for Miami of Florida for his first three years. Actually, I believe he went to a juco first before a year at Miami. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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