Quality Is Job 1 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Just now, SluSignGuy said: Feel free to edit it. I did. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills_06 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, Pistol said: This is where I differ from you. I don't know if we're in good shape recruiting-wise if Gordon flips. That leaves us with a one-man recruiting class less than two months before the early signing period starts. Nothing against Thatch, but that would be a lot of work to make up for this class, let alone future classes. We've lost a lot of momentum and losing the highest-rated recruit since Larry Hughes would be a major blow, no question. Sure but hypothetical question, from the list of 5 you had listed earlier, if SLU loses Gordon and fills the two spots with Rhoden and Pearson, how would you feel about the class? Of course it isn't as good as it would be with Gordon but just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, Pistol said: This is where I differ from you. I don't know if we're in good shape recruiting-wise if Gordon flips. That leaves us with a one-man recruiting class less than two months before the early signing period starts. Nothing against Thatch, but that would be a lot of work to make up for this class, let alone future classes. We've lost a lot of momentum and losing the highest-rated recruit since Larry Hughes would be a major blow, no question. I think it still comes down to Travis Ford, Corey Tate, Van Macon, and Will Bailey. They don't feel intimated, and they've continued to recruit Carte'Are. I feel fairly confident they will keep him and land some other good recruits in '18 and '19 and the years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Bills_06 said: Sure but hypothetical question, from the list of 5 you had listed earlier, if SLU loses Gordon and fills the two spots with Rhoden and Pearson, how would you feel about the class? Of course it isn't as good as it would be with Gordon but just curious. Yeah, I've already been thinking about this scenario this morning. The problem is that those two might be a little redundant, as long wings. I guess if Pearson continues to grow, he could be an athletic, barely undersized PF type. I don't know. I bet if we lose Gordon, we sign one in the fall and one in the spring (assuming we're only looking at currently open 2018 scholarships). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 3 hours ago, HoosierPal said: Some people don't get it, do they slufanskip. Telling a high schooler it is okay to go against his promise isn't a message we need to be teaching our youth. This is about a life lesson. You're simply not dealing in reality. Sounds great to make this a moral/ethical dilema, but it's just not the case. The rules are set up to allow a kid to verbally commit and still look around. It is an accepted practice by both recruits and recruiters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 13 minutes ago, 101 said: You're simply not dealing in reality. Sounds great to make this a moral/ethical dilema, but it's just not the case. The rules are set up to allow a kid to verbally commit and still look around. It is an accepted practice by both recruits and recruiters. the kid. not the coaches. they should have the decency to respect the student athlete's verbal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills_06 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Where is the PITBULL?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 https://twitter.com/CarteareGordon/status/907630271847124992 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Ladies and Gentlemen: We got him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 I need to give Roy Schmidt some love here. His tweet response to Gordon's tweet....... Quote Silence those fantasizers in Columbia Carte'Are. He isn't going anywhere... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majerus mojo Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Lol... I did not expect THESE POSTS to be at the end of this thread. LET'S GO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon-Balls Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 There's still a general problem with the perception of SLU basketball in the St. Louis region. It will always be viewed as second rate by casual fans and the Post Dispatch (which might as well be the Columbia Post Dispatch at this point), etc. You go to cities like Omaha, where Creighton is basketball king over Nebraska. Or Cincinnati, where Xavier is viewed more highly than U Cincy. It's not even a question in those places. But in this region, SLU will always be looked at simply as a lower tier program for recruits until Ford can change the perception. Having local guys like Goodwin and Gordon commit is a terrific start, but even now you see the pushback against Ford's valiant efforts. They said, "oh that's cute" when SLU was a top 10 team, but in reality they never believed it was a sign of longterm legitimacy. Unfortunately, Mizzou has jumped back into the fray, moderately rolling back the tide on Ford's momentum in STL recruiting. One need not loo any further than the "coaches" who post on this board and proclaim their "duel fanship." Yet when you read between the lines, it is pretty obvious they harbor the same condescending attitude towards SLU that the local media and most of the other high school and AAU coaches all have. It's subtle, but it makes a huge difference in how recruits themselves end up viewing a program. Until St. Louis as a region and city embraces SLU as its basketball team, rather than the school 2 hours away in Boone County, no one will really take SLU seriously as a program and you will continue to see coaches, friends, family, etc. all trying to convince players that they can "do better than SLU." There is no reason we can't be like Xavier, Creighton, or Gonzaga, a place where recruits believe they can thrive and play for a winning team. All it takes is commitment from the administration and consistent support from the local region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Our beat writer is all over this one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills_06 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Just now, slufan13 said: Our beat writer is all over this one I saw his tweet yesterday and was prepared for some great insight and he delivered. He had a heck of a week on twitter gaining 4 new followers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Over/Under 20 minutes before the first Mizzou poster comes on here and says they weren't recruiting/didn't want Gordon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Plz make fun of me for my prior posts. My faith in the church of T Ford was shaken. I repent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, Bills_06 said: I saw his tweet yesterday and was prepared for some great insight and he delivered. He had a heck of a week on twitter gaining 4 new followers. Retweeted Watsons post about Mizzou hasn't retweeted Gordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBFan Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Now we can concentrate on a Jared Rhoden commitment. Another good day being a Billikens fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach314 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 11 minutes ago, Spoon-Balls said: There's still a general problem with the perception of SLU basketball in the St. Louis region. It will always be viewed as second rate by casual fans and the Post Dispatch (which might as well be the Columbia Post Dispatch at this point), etc. You go to cities like Omaha, where Creighton is basketball king over Nebraska. Or Cincinnati, where Xavier is viewed more highly than U Cincy. It's not even a question in those places. But in this region, SLU will always be looked at simply as a lower tier program for recruits until Ford can change the perception. Having local guys like Goodwin and Gordon commit is a terrific start, but even now you see the pushback against Ford's valiant efforts. They said, "oh that's cute" when SLU was a top 10 team, but in reality they never believed it was a sign of longterm legitimacy. Unfortunately, Mizzou has jumped back into the fray, moderately rolling back the tide on Ford's momentum in STL recruiting. One need not loo any further than the "coaches" who post on this board and proclaim their "duel fanship." Yet when you read between the lines, it is pretty obvious they harbor the same condescending attitude towards SLU that the local media and most of the other high school and AAU coaches all have. It's subtle, but it makes a huge difference in how recruits themselves end up viewing a program. Until St. Louis as a region and city embraces SLU as its basketball team, rather than the school 2 hours away in Boone County, no one will really take SLU seriously as a program and you will continue to see coaches, friends, family, etc. all trying to convince players that they can "do better than SLU." There is no reason we can't be like Xavier, Creighton, or Gonzaga, a place where recruits believe they can thrive and play for a winning team. All it takes is commitment from the administration and consistent support from the local region. Well said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 18 minutes ago, Spoon-Balls said: There's still a general problem with the perception of SLU basketball in the St. Louis region. It will always be viewed as second rate by casual fans and the Post Dispatch (which might as well be the Columbia Post Dispatch at this point), etc. You go to cities like Omaha, where Creighton is basketball king over Nebraska. Or Cincinnati, where Xavier is viewed more highly than U Cincy. It's not even a question in those places. But in this region, SLU will always be looked at simply as a lower tier program for recruits until Ford can change the perception. Having local guys like Goodwin and Gordon commit is a terrific start, but even now you see the pushback against Ford's valiant efforts. They said, "oh that's cute" when SLU was a top 10 team, but in reality they never believed it was a sign of longterm legitimacy. Unfortunately, Mizzou has jumped back into the fray, moderately rolling back the tide on Ford's momentum in STL recruiting. One need not loo any further than the "coaches" who post on this board and proclaim their "duel fanship." Yet when you read between the lines, it is pretty obvious they harbor the same condescending attitude towards SLU that the local media and most of the other high school and AAU coaches all have. It's subtle, but it makes a huge difference in how recruits themselves end up viewing a program. Until St. Louis as a region and city embraces SLU as its basketball team, rather than the school 2 hours away in Boone County, no one will really take SLU seriously as a program and you will continue to see coaches, friends, family, etc. all trying to convince players that they can "do better than SLU." There is no reason we can't be like Xavier, Creighton, or Gonzaga, a place where recruits believe they can thrive and play for a winning team. All it takes is commitment from the administration and consistent support from the local region. what a great post. ive been preaching this for 30 years. unfortunately when we do show signs, seems we find a way to shoot ourselves in the foot. lets keep this momentum going. most excited ive been going into a season in a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, CBFan said: Now we can concentrate on a Jared Rhoden commitment. Another good day being a Billikens fan. Let's get Rhoden and Horton-Tucker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 11 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said: Retweeted Watsons post about Mizzou hasn't retweeted Gordon You still here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 33 minutes ago, slufan13 said: https://twitter.com/CarteareGordon/status/907630271847124992 Good, you kids who are on twitter need to continue to like/love the sh!t out of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBFan Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 15 minutes ago, Spoon-Balls said: There's still a general problem with the perception of SLU basketball in the St. Louis region. It will always be viewed as second rate by casual fans and the Post Dispatch (who might as well be the Columbia Post Dispatch at this point), etc. You go to cities like Omaha, where Creighton is basketball king over Nebraska. Or Cincinnati, where Xavier is viewed more highly than U Cincy. It's not even a question in those places. But in this region, SLU will always be looked at simply as a lower tier program for recruits until Ford can change the perception. Having local guys like Goodwin and Gordon commit is a terrific start, but even now you see the pushback against Ford's valiant efforts. They said, "oh that's cute" when SLU was a top 10 team, but in reality they never believed it was a sign of longterm legitimacy. Unfortunately, Mizzou has jumped back into the fray, moderately rolling back the tide on Ford's momentum in STL recruiting. One need not loo any further than the "coaches" who post on this board and proclaim their "duel fanship." Yet when you read between the lines, it is pretty obvious they harbor the same condescending attitude towards SLU that the local media and most of the other high school and AAU coaches all have. It's subtle, but it makes a huge difference in how recruits themselves end up viewing a program. Until St. Louis as a region and city embraces SLU as its basketball team, rather than the school 2 hours away in Boone County, no one will really take SLU seriously as a program and you will continue to see coaches, friends, family, etc. all trying to convince players that they can "do better than SLU." There is no reason we can't be like Xavier, Creighton, or Gonzaga, a place where recruits believe they can thrive and play for a winning team. All it takes is commitment from the administration and consistent support from the local region. Well said but the city embraced Spoonball with 17,000 a game SLU was in the top 20 in attendance and Rick Majerus ball was also embraced. The problem has always been sustaining exciting winning basketball. I think coach Romar had he stayed could have sustained the momentum by Spoon but he moved on to Washington. I am hoping there will be enough money to keep coach Ford here for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Lol Gordon "liked" this tweet immediately after his SLU tweet. I think he's going to be my favorite billiken.... since forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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