brianstl Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, STL Hoops Insider said: Who did CJ Roberts recommit from? CJ Roberts committed to Mizzou when Kim Anderson was the coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 24 minutes ago, majerus mojo said: Metz club Good post Didn't read, Metz club Dangerously close to Metz club Metz club Good post Metz club Fuoking genius type stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach314 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 20 minutes ago, brianstl said: It isn't sour grapes. It is how the NCAA operates. UNC skates by for years on a slam dunk academic case because they are a blue blood. A program like Mizzou burns Ohio St after burning another Big 10 program and a PAC 12 program in the decommit game and those investigators will quickly jump to attention when those programs complain because Mizzou isn't considered a blue blood. Mizzou represents the perfect NCAA target. They are not a blue blood program, but they are a member of a major conference. Not just any conference, but a junior member of the NCAA's favorite target the SEC. The NCAA can look tough be targeting a major conference program without worrying about losing money by hurting a blue blood. Will you turn your evidence over to the NCAA to assist in the investigation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 41 minutes ago, brianstl said: It isn't sour grapes. It is how the NCAA operates. UNC skates by for years on a slam dunk academic case because they are a blue blood. A program like Mizzou burns Ohio St after burning another Big 10 program and a PAC 12 program in the decommit game and those investigators will quickly jump to attention when those programs complain because Mizzou isn't considered a blue blood. Mizzou represents the perfect NCAA target. They are not a blue blood program, but they are a member of a major conference. Not just any conference, but a junior member of the NCAA's favorite target the SEC. The NCAA can look tough be targeting a major conference program without worrying about losing money by hurting a blue blood. No doubt there's a lot of truth to what you're saying regarding how the NCAA operates, but I just don't think it will hold water, and the NCAA won't "prosecute." Verbal commitments are non-binding by NCAA Clearinghouse rules, so that rules out anything pertaining to Watson and Jontay Porter. In the case of the others, they requested releases from their letters of intent after the coaches who recruited them were fired. Once they were granted a release, they were free to accept grant-in-aid from another school. Where are all these schools that would complain to the NCAA about Missouri? If they didn't want to release the players from their LOI, no one forced them to. And the new coaches at those programs would say, "Thanks, but no, thanks. I need to build my program with guys who want to be here under my program." What's the difference between a transfer from a four-year school and a player who decommits or requests a release from a LOI? Not much. The former has already used some eligibility and must sit out a year; other than that, both groups have felt it best to seek new horizons. That 's all there is to it. Mizzou has a bunch of players who've decommitted or requested release from LOI; SLU has a bunch of players who've transferred. And they'll both — most likely — be a whole lot better in 2017-18 than they would have been otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Hoops Insider Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 6 hours ago, brianstl said: It is crazy that now over two classes Martin has received commitments from six high school players and everyone of those players was a decommitment from another school. I would bet that has never happened before. It doesn't matter if anything illegal has happened or not. That is going to attract NCAA investigators as the major programs start to complain about what has happened. This is what you said, but Roberts was a decommit from another school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Hoops Insider Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 I think we should get back to talking about players SLU is actually recruiting, enough Mizzou talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryB Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 52 minutes ago, STL Hoops Insider said: I think we should get back to talking about players SLU is actually recruiting, enough Mizzou talk. Hmmmm.....so how many times do you mention mizzou in a post each day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FromDaEastSide Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 1 hour ago, STL Hoops Insider said: I think we should get back to talking about players SLU is actually recruiting, enough Mizzou talk. Ok, then how come you posted about Watson's visit with KSDK last night after this post in the othe thread, in which he spoke nothing about SLU. He only spoke about a school west of STL. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 6 hours ago, Quality Is Job 1 said: Where are all these schools that would complain to the NCAA about Missouri? If they didn't want to release the players from their LOI, no one forced them to. And the new coaches at those programs would say, "Thanks, but no, thanks. I need to build my program with guys who want to be here under my program." This is true, the likelihood of NCAA action without complaints from some member school is not high. It is also true that a new coach is better off without any player under LOI that wants to transfer. Let's face it, a team has to play like a team if they are going to be a winning team. A kid that does not want to be in a team may not be easy to deal with from the point of view of a new coach. You just do not want a bunch of kids playing by and for themselves and their own greater glory, regardless of their talent. Individual talent without team play does not go very far. Martin has been effective at poaching players from other teams, now he needs to be equally effective at molding them into a team that plays together and wins. We have yet to see if he can pull it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Hoops Insider Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 1 hour ago, FromDaEastSide said: Ok, then how come you posted about Watson's visit with KSDK last night after this post in the othe thread, in which he spoke nothing about SLU. He only spoke about a school west of STL. ? Closure. His reasons and thoughts have been debated for weeks, thought it was important to hear his side from him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goonaha Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 9 hours ago, majerus mojo said: Metz club Good post Didn't read, Metz club Dangerously close to Metz club Metz club Good post Metz club Thanks for this value added post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JettFlight5 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, STL Hoops Insider said: Closure. His reasons and thoughts have been debated for weeks, thought it was important to hear his side from him In this case, it really wasn't needed on a SLU board. We know he signed with Missouri. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach314 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 8 hours ago, Quality Is Job 1 said: No doubt there's a lot of truth to what you're saying regarding how the NCAA operates, but I just don't think it will hold water, and the NCAA won't "prosecute." Verbal commitments are non-binding by NCAA Clearinghouse rules, so that rules out anything pertaining to Watson and Jontay Porter. In the case of the others, they requested releases from their letters of intent after the coaches who recruited them were fired. Once they were granted a release, they were free to accept grant-in-aid from another school. Where are all these schools that would complain to the NCAA about Missouri? If they didn't want to release the players from their LOI, no one forced them to. And the new coaches at those programs would say, "Thanks, but no, thanks. I need to build my program with guys who want to be here under my program." What's the difference between a transfer from a four-year school and a player who decommits or requests a release from a LOI? Not much. The former has already used some eligibility and must sit out a year; other than that, both groups have felt it best to seek new horizons. That 's all there is to it. Mizzou has a bunch of players who've decommitted or requested release from LOI; SLU has a bunch of players who've transferred. And they'll both — most likely — be a whole lot better in 2017-18 than they would have been otherwise. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Hoops Insider Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 33 minutes ago, JettFlight5 said: In this case, it really wasn't needed on a SLU board. We know he signed with Missouri. But he didn't sign, he just committed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JettFlight5 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, STL Hoops Insider said: But he didn't sign, he just committed Fair enough...but he's not coming here at this time, so he is no longer relevant to SLU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Hoops Insider Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 1 minute ago, JettFlight5 said: Fair enough...but he's not coming here at this time, so he is no longer relevant to SLU. I agree. This late in the game focus on guys with mutual interest and dig in deep on 2019 guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Wrap Karrington Davis up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goonaha Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Scoop said: Wrap Karrington Davis up. Surely that ship has sailed if he's willing to leave Chaminade for prep school? All in on Jared Rhoden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Hoops Insider Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 1 hour ago, goonaha said: Surely that ship has sailed if he's willing to leave Chaminade for prep school? All in on Jared Rhoden. I wouldn't say that at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 14 hours ago, Billiken Rich said: Seriously? Norm? You need to talk to some old timers here about classy norm. No kidding. Martin would have to do a lot more than steal a few committed players before he reaches Norm's level of general a$$holishness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills_06 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Looks like Andrew Slater removed his prediction of Gordon to Mizzou on 247. Not sure if that's because they are out of scholarships for next year even with MPJ leaving until somebody transfers or if another random reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Hoops Insider Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Good. Gordon, Foreman, French, Santos, Johnson, what a frontline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westy03 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, STL Hoops Insider said: Good. Gordon, Foreman, French, Santos, Johnson, what a frontline. I hate you but I like this post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 8 minutes ago, Westy03 said: I hate you but I like this post lol you my dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach314 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 I am hearing that Joe Reece of Vashon is enrolling at Webster Groves on Monday. Anyone else hear this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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