Recruiting - 2018 class

[brianstl]

6 minutes ago, College Basketball Fan said:

You're entitled to your opinion and that's all it is.  I'm pretty sure Norm Stewart loves Cuonzo Martin and what he's doing at Mizzou.  In fact they share a lot of similarities, both tough as nails, both defensive minded, both native Missourians, and both cancer survivors.

Martin is no native son.

Martin is going to bring shame to Stormin Norman Court.  All true sons should be outraged.  Norm Stewart was a pillar of virtue.  He would never be associated with shady recruiting practices.  

[Billiken Rich]

He was also a classless diock

[brianstl]

1 minute ago, Billiken Rich said:

He was also a classless diock

He was classy as they come and willing to take on all comers anytime, any place.  Also, no coach was better at preparing his team for the NCAA Tournament.

[Billiken Rich]

Seriously?  Norm?  You need to talk to some old timers here about classy norm.

[Quality Is Job 1]

2 minutes ago, Billiken Rich said:

Seriously?  Norm?  You need to talk to some old timers here about classy norm.

Can't you see he's being ironic?

[TheChosenOne]

55 minutes ago, brianstl said:

He is not half the man Norm Stewart was.

Edit: stupid attempt at a joke

[TheChosenOne]

26 minutes ago, brianstl said:

So what was the issue that "reporters" who cover Mizzou and reporters that cover Ohio St. stated that was going to prevent either school from signing Watson?

This is what I really want to know.

[Billiken Rich]

1 minute ago, Quality Is Job 1 said:

Can't you see he's being ironic?

Its been a long week........Sorry Brian

[Quality Is Job 1]

1 minute ago, TheChosenOne said:

Why you gotta make racist jokes?

SMH

[brianstl]

Just now, TheChosenOne said:

Why you gotta make racist jokes?

Racist joke?  How exactly am I making a racist joke?

[Quality Is Job 1]

1 minute ago, brianstl said:

Racist joke?  How exactly am I making a racist joke?

I'm pretty sure he's joking.  I think his reference is to the slavery era taxation stipulation of giving slaves a 60% valuation.  Dumb joke.

[kshoe]

34 minutes ago, brianstl said:

So what was the issue that "reporters" who cover Mizzou and reporters that cover Ohio St. stated that was going to prevent either school from signing Watson?

That was bs from the beginning and most of us could smell that a mile away. While Watson is ultimately responsible for changing his decision it's obvious Martin continued to recruit him after his oral to Ohio St. and he got him to flip. It is what it is. 

[brianstl]

6 minutes ago, kshoe said:

That was bs from the beginning and most of us could smell that a mile away. While Watson is ultimately responsible for changing his decision it's obvious Martin continued to recruit him after his oral to Ohio St. and he got him to flip. It is what it is. 

It wasn't just Ohio St  guy that reported that.  A Mizzou fan boy reporter claimed it was an issue that would probably prevent Mizzou from signing him and predicted he would end up at SLU because of that issue.

[brianstl]

18 minutes ago, Billiken Rich said:

Its been a long week........Sorry Brian

No problem Rich

[Coach314]

2 hours ago, goonaha said:

Everyone can continue to talk about Mizzou and Martin, whatever. People will do that. I think Watson genuinely wanted to play close to home, and not for nefarious reasons. You win some recruitments, you lose some.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/whitfield-s-watson-commits-to-mizzou/article_bce94856-7f93-5582-bf02-9b8206814467.html

Watson also considered SLU after decommiting from Ohio State, he said.

"He really had great rapport with (SLU coach) Travis Ford and (assistant) Corey Tate and those guys have been classy throughout the entire process," Potsou said.

Pretty much sums it up

[brianstl]

24 minutes ago, kshoe said:

That was bs from the beginning and most of us could smell that a mile away. While Watson is ultimately responsible for changing his decision it's obvious Martin continued to recruit him after his oral to Ohio St. and he got him to flip. It is what it is. 

 

19 minutes ago, brianstl said:

It wasn't just Ohio St  guy that reported that.  A Mizzou fan boy reporter claimed it was an issue that would probably prevent Mizzou from signing him and predicted he would end up at SLU because of that issue.

There was no need for another cover story besides the family issue.  This second "cover" story just raises questions about the kid and the program.  If there was nothing to this second story someone in the Mizzou program would have made that clear to fan boy and he would have never brought it up. 

This guy makes a living selling subscriptions to people who basically only want to hear pro Mizzou stuff and he is a crazy Mizzou fan himself. He isn't going to do anything that raises questions about a guy Mizzou might soon sign with the Mizzou fan base if there was nothing to that story.

[stlodoyle]

 

Does this mean Gordon is safe?

[NH]

2 hours ago, College Basketball Fan said:

Fact: The coach who signed Tilmon at Illinois was fired, allowing Tilmon to be granted his release which had nothing to do with Cuonzo Martin.

Fact: Cuonzo Martin is from the same hometown as Jeremiah Tilmon and Martin's sister is the principal at Tilmon's HS and several other relatives of Martin are friends of the Tilmon family, making it not at all surprising that Tilmon would choose to go to Mizzou.

Fact:  Torrence Watson committed to Ohio State well after Cuonzo Martin was hired.

Fact: The coach who signed Michael Porter, JR at Washington was fired, allowing Porter JR to be granted his release which had nothing to do with Cuonzo Martin.

Fact:  Even before Romar was fired at Washington, Porter, JR's aunt who happens to be the Mizzou women's basketball head coach and the former boss of Michael Porter, SR, had let MIzzou AD Jim Sterk know that the Porters had interest in moving back to Columbia where they had resided for six years and where the two oldest daughters were members of the Mizzou women's team. 

Virtually certain fact: Almost any coach who would have been hired by Mizzou would have gladly hired Porter, SR and set of the chain reaction that led to both Michael, JR and Jontay Porter coming to Mizzou with their father and where most of their friends lived.

Fact: In what universe did Martin and Mizzou overpay for the assitant coach who had a major role in two 5-star recruits, including the #1 or #2 recruit in the country? Mizzou has already sold far more than enough new tickets to pay Porter, SR for the next ten years. Overpay??

Fact: Illinois paid  Jamal Walker almost as much as  Mizzou is paying Porter, SR. I know which school I think overpaid.

Fact: Your last statement is dripping waith irony after your distorted rationalization. 

 

Why do you care what people on here say? I just don't get it. I have no urge to go on tigerboard and defend slu. Seems like a waste of time. Let fans of a school have our own conversations.

[gobillsgo]

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[majerus mojo]

4 hours ago, STL Hoops Insider said:

Nothing to feel bad about, he was committed to Ohio State 2 weeks ago and wasn't an option because you guys think it's wrong to recruit committed but unsigned players and because Ford says he doesn't do that. Ford can recruit his tail off and the Billikens will be fine. He casts a wide recruiting net.

Metz club

3 hours ago, Taj79 said:

Fact: Jeremiah Tillmon was LOI'ed to Illinois.

Fact:  Torrence Watson was verbaled to Ohio State.

Fact: Michael Porter Jr.was LOI'ed to Washington.

Fact: Mizzou hired Martin.

Fact: Martin overpaid/bought Porter Sr.

Fact: Tillmon decomitted and signed with Martin/Mizzou.

Fact: Porter Jr. decomitted and signed with Martin/Mizzou.

Fact:  Watson de-verbaled and signed/commited to Martin/Mizzou.

Conclusion:  I won't paint any more ofthe picture, you'll just rationalize it away in your street-agent-wannabe-way anyway.

 

Good post 

3 hours ago, College Basketball Fan said:

Fact: The coach who signed Tilmon at Illinois was fired, allowing Tilmon to be granted his release which had nothing to do with Cuonzo Martin.

Fact: Cuonzo Martin is from the same hometown as Jeremiah Tilmon and Martin's sister is the principal at Tilmon's HS and several other relatives of Martin are friends of the Tilmon family, making it not at all surprising that Tilmon would choose to go to Mizzou.

Fact:  Torrence Watson committed to Ohio State well after Cuonzo Martin was hired.

Fact: The coach who signed Michael Porter, JR at Washington was fired, allowing Porter JR to be granted his release which had nothing to do with Cuonzo Martin.

Fact:  Even before Romar was fired at Washington, Porter, JR's aunt who happens to be the Mizzou women's basketball head coach and the former boss of Michael Porter, SR, had let MIzzou AD Jim Sterk know that the Porters had interest in moving back to Columbia where they had resided for six years and where the two oldest daughters were members of the Mizzou women's team. 

Virtually certain fact: Almost any coach who would have been hired by Mizzou would have gladly hired Porter, SR and set of the chain reaction that led to both Michael, JR and Jontay Porter coming to Mizzou with their father and where most of their friends lived.

Fact: In what universe did Martin and Mizzou overpay for the assitant coach who had a major role in two 5-star recruits, including the #1 or #2 recruit in the country? Mizzou has already sold far more than enough new tickets to pay Porter, SR for the next ten years. Overpay??

Fact: Illinois paid  Jamal Walker almost as much as  Mizzou is paying Porter, SR. I know which school I think overpaid.

Fact: Your last statement is dripping waith irony after your distorted rationalization. 

 

Didn't read, Metz club 

2 hours ago, goonaha said:

Everyone can continue to talk about Mizzou and Martin, whatever. People will do that. I think Watson genuinely wanted to play close to home, and not for nefarious reasons. You win some recruitments, you lose some.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/whitfield-s-watson-commits-to-mizzou/article_bce94856-7f93-5582-bf02-9b8206814467.html

Watson also considered SLU after decommiting from Ohio State, he said.

"He really had great rapport with (SLU coach) Travis Ford and (assistant) Corey Tate and those guys have been classy throughout the entire process," Potsou said.

Dangerously close to Metz club

2 hours ago, MUTGR said:

Last post, I promise, and I'm out of here:

 

"There's no place like home first and foremost," Watson said Friday, an hour after leaving Columbia where he visited with Cuonzo Martin and MU's staff.

St. Louis is a Mizzou town. Mizzou is home. 

Metz club 

58 minutes ago, kshoe said:

That was bs from the beginning and most of us could smell that a mile away. While Watson is ultimately responsible for changing his decision it's obvious Martin continued to recruit him after his oral to Ohio St. and he got him to flip. It is what it is. 

Good post 

38 minutes ago, Coach314 said:

Pretty much sums it up

Metz club 

 

[brianstl]

It is crazy that now over two classes Martin has received commitments from six high school players and everyone of those players was a decommitment from another school.  

I would bet that has never happened before.  It doesn't matter if anything illegal has happened or not.  That is going to attract NCAA investigators as the major programs start to complain about what has happened.

[Coach314]

5 hours ago, STL Hoops Insider said:

What's the status of Karrington Davis?

Heard he is at a Prep School this year

[Quality Is Job 1]

2 minutes ago, brianstl said:

It is crazy that now over two classes Martin has received commitments from six high school players and everyone of those players was a decommitment from another school.  

I would bet that has never happened before.  It doesn't matter if anything illegal has happened or not.  That is going to attract NCAA investigators as the major programs start to complain about what has happened.

If nothing illegal happened, why would it attract the attention of NCAA Compliance?  Why do SLU fans need to resort to sour grapes?

Mizzou fans have to hope that Cuonzo Martin stabilizes things, because he's eventually going to have to build his program around recruits he can get that haven't decommitted from elsewhere.  Otherwise, it's Frank Haith 2.1.

[STL Hoops Insider]

16 minutes ago, brianstl said:

It is crazy that now over two classes Martin has received commitments from six high school players and everyone of those players was a decommitment from another school.  

I would bet that has never happened before.  It doesn't matter if anything illegal has happened or not.  That is going to attract NCAA investigators as the major programs start to complain about what has happened.

Who did CJ Roberts recommit from?

[brianstl]

1 minute ago, Quality Is Job 1 said:

If nothing illegal happened, why would it attract the attention of NCAA Compliance?  Why do SLU fans need to resort to sour grapes?

Mizzou fans have to hope that Cuonzo Martin stabilizes things, because he's eventually going to have to build his program around recruits he can get that haven't decommitted from elsewhere.  Otherwise, it's Frank Haith 2.1.

It isn't sour grapes.  It is how the NCAA operates.  UNC skates by for years on a slam dunk academic case because they are a blue blood.  A program like Mizzou burns Ohio St after burning another Big 10 program and a PAC 12 program in the decommit game and those investigators will quickly jump to attention when those programs complain because Mizzou isn't considered a blue blood.

 Mizzou represents the perfect NCAA target. They are not a blue blood program, but they are a member of a major conference. Not just any conference, but a junior member of the NCAA's favorite target the SEC.  The NCAA can look tough be targeting a major conference program without worrying about losing money by hurting a blue blood.