Pistol Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 5 minutes ago, RiseAndGrind said: Yes. Scout has always had him rated lowest of the major scouting networks, iirc 9 is probably a bit high, 44 is probably a bit low. If they want to drop him out of the rankings and make him less vulnerable to outsiders and put a chip on his shoulder, I'm fine with that. Watson has been in the 75-100 range all along, and it's interesting to see him creep downward because he continues to progress and put up big numbers. I guess he's just not showing the arc some other prospects in the 75-150 range are. He'll be a nice player, regardless. Thatch is a tough player to rate, rank, and project. I like him and think he'll be a good fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 36 minutes ago, Pistol said: 9 is probably a bit high, 44 is probably a bit low. If they want to drop him out of the rankings and make him less vulnerable to outsiders and put a chip on his shoulder, I'm fine with that. Watson has been in the 75-100 range all along, and it's interesting to see him creep downward because he continues to progress and put up big numbers. I guess he's just not showing the arc some other prospects in the 75-150 range are. He'll be a nice player, regardless. Thatch is a tough player to rate, rank, and project. I like him and think he'll be a good fit. +1 also gordon retweeted slu stuff yesterday for anyone still concerned about him decommitting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Ohio State offered Watson. As a reminder, Watson's final 8: SLU, Mizzou, Butler, Creighton, Marquette, K-State, Michigan, Vandy. Chris Holtmann took the OSU job; Watson might be swapping out Butler on that list. It bears repeating that Watson has mentioned staying close to home. Butler is about 4 hours away, and OSU is more like 6.5. Although maybe all his finalists are in the "close enough" range. Pickett going to Mizzou doesn't help Watson there. Marquette has one scholarship and Watson isn't priority #1 for it. There should be roster space at Michigan and Vandy but I don't think he's the top priority at either of those, either. SLU's status probably depends on how he feels about Thatch in the class. That leaves K-State and Creighton, and Creighton might be the most open roster for him. Watson wanted to make his official visits in August. That will be an interesting list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills_06 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Our good friend Roy posted Ayo Dosunmu's top 5 of Xavier, Illinois, Northwestern, Kansas and Wake Forest. I haven't seen it elsewhere unless I missed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 9 minutes ago, Bills_06 said: Our good friend Roy posted Ayo Dosunmu's top 5 of Xavier, Illinois, Northwestern, Kansas and Wake Forest. I haven't seen it elsewhere unless I missed it. I don't think this is a list of finalists; I think it's where he's taking his official visits. That could more or less be the same thing in practice, but they're not an official "top 5". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLURadioBoy Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 52 minutes ago, Pistol said: Ohio State offered Watson. As a reminder, Watson's final 8: SLU, Mizzou, Butler, Creighton, Marquette, K-State, Michigan, Vandy. Chris Holtmann took the OSU job; Watson might be swapping out Butler on that list. It bears repeating that Watson has mentioned staying close to home. Butler is about 4 hours away, and OSU is more like 6.5. Although maybe all his finalists are in the "close enough" range. Pickett going to Mizzou doesn't help Watson there. Marquette has one scholarship and Watson isn't priority #1 for it. There should be roster space at Michigan and Vandy but I don't think he's the top priority at either of those, either. SLU's status probably depends on how he feels about Thatch in the class. That leaves K-State and Creighton, and Creighton might be the most open roster for him. Watson wanted to make his official visits in August. That will be an interesting list. Looks like it's a final 9 now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Pistol said: Ohio State offered Watson. As a reminder, Watson's final 8: SLU, Mizzou, Butler, Creighton, Marquette, K-State, Michigan, Vandy. Chris Holtmann took the OSU job; Watson might be swapping out Butler on that list. It bears repeating that Watson has mentioned staying close to home. Butler is about 4 hours away, and OSU is more like 6.5. Although maybe all his finalists are in the "close enough" range. Pickett going to Mizzou doesn't help Watson there. Marquette has one scholarship and Watson isn't priority #1 for it. There should be roster space at Michigan and Vandy but I don't think he's the top priority at either of those, either. SLU's status probably depends on how he feels about Thatch in the class. That leaves K-State and Creighton, and Creighton might be the most open roster for him. Watson wanted to make his official visits in August. That will be an interesting list. Watson would be a great 3rd recruit for 2018. Man, I hope T-Ford can work some magic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVBilliken Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Watson would be great, but would prefer a big athletic versatile 3, like a Reece. Not necessarily him, but him or similar player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Over the last few days ive now heard from a few people that Hellems and SLU heating up. Anyone else hear this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 30 minutes ago, wgstl said: Over the last few days ive now heard from a few people that Hellems and SLU heating up. Anyone else hear this? Interesting. I didn't think SLU was in on him. I think I would be cool with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierBilliken Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 4 hours ago, RiseAndGrind said: Interesting. I didn't think SLU was in on him. I think I would be cool with that? You may be cool with that? My, how we have raised our recruiting expectations. Nice in a way, I admit. Hellems coming to St. Louis would be huge. We get a great player and it would show once again that St. Louis is a desirable destination for the local kids for a host of reasons. It would be a smart pickup by Ford. Either way, you gotta trust Ford on whatever choice he makes at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franchise_08 Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 It would open up that Chaminade Pipeline...which being an alum, I am cool with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 1 hour ago, HoosierBilliken said: You may be cool with that? My, how we have raised our recruiting expectations. Nice in a way, I admit. Hellems coming to St. Louis would be huge. We get a great player and it would show once again that St. Louis is a desirable destination for the local kids for a host of reasons. It would be a smart pickup by Ford. Either way, you gotta trust Ford on whatever choice he makes at this point. TBH I haven't focused much on Hellems because I didn't think SLU was interested. I know he scored 47 points one time and at one point got an IU offer. Haven't heard much behind that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmbilliken Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Hellems looked like a world beater at the Belleville East Tournament. Small sample size. That is the only time I've seen him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 16 hours ago, Franchise_08 said: It would open up that Chaminade Pipeline...which being an alum, I am cool with. When did you graduate? For me, Hellems is the type of local player I would probably pass on to pursue better out of state talent, but that might be proven wrong. I just question his position at the next level unless he proves to be a really big time shooter (some games last season he just couldn't miss) or gets considerably stronger since he is a below average athlete for a high major wing/small forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 Hellems has Jalen Johnson type ability and a stronger frame than JJ. You wouldn't take a stronger Jalen Johnson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnkielBreakers Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 3 hours ago, TheChosenOne said: When did you graduate? For me, Hellems is the type of local player I would probably pass on to pursue better out of state talent, but that might be proven wrong. I just question his position at the next level unless he proves to be a really big time shooter (some games last season he just couldn't miss) or gets considerably stronger since he is a below average athlete for a high major wing/small forward. I just watched his highlights for the first time. You are crazy. He is an incredibly talented player. He would be an amazing pickup. He also is a small forward. He would fit perfectly with the group in that class. I wouldn't be surprised if he rises on the recruiting boards next year. Just kind of confused as to what you saw in the video. A 6'7" player that can run, shoot, and pass. Can score a lot as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franchise_08 Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 4 hours ago, TheChosenOne said: When did you graduate? For me, Hellems is the type of local player I would probably pass on to pursue better out of state talent, but that might be proven wrong. I just question his position at the next level unless he proves to be a really big time shooter (some games last season he just couldn't miss) or gets considerably stronger since he is a below average athlete for a high major wing/small forward. '96. Before basketball was big at Chaminade. Bill Coby graduated the year before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 3 hours ago, AnkielBreakers said: I just watched his highlights for the first time. You are crazy. He is an incredibly talented player. He would be an amazing pickup. He also is a small forward. He would fit perfectly with the group in that class. I wouldn't be surprised if he rises on the recruiting boards next year. Just kind of confused as to what you saw in the video. A 6'7" player that can run, shoot, and pass. Can score a lot as well. What I have seen in person. I have probably watched Hellems a dozen times. I have concerns with whether he can be a small forward at the major college level. It is just my opinion, but it is based on watching him a lot. Just not a high major athlete and he seemingly lost his jump shot late in the season and it doesn't look like he has rediscovered it. Late in the season when he lost his shot he kind of became a ball hog looking to draw fouls where he shoots a really high percentage from the line, but struggled finishing going to the rim. Kid is really good and is a skilled player, but I am not sure if he is above a Valley level player due to some of his limitations. To me he might be a high floor low ceiling type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 6 hours ago, 3star_recruit said: Hellems has Jalen Johnson type ability and a stronger frame than JJ. You wouldn't take a stronger Jalen Johnson? I wouldn't make that comparison. Did we offer him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 2 hours ago, Franchise_08 said: '96. Before basketball was big at Chaminade. Bill Coby graduated the year before. Nice, Pistol and I were class of '01, the start of basketball being big at Chaminade with David Lee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slusam Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 SLU offered Alex Rivera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG BILL FAN Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 On 6/17/2017 at 4:30 PM, TheChosenOne said: What I have seen in person. I have probably watched Hellems a dozen times. I have concerns with whether he can be a small forward at the major college level. It is just my opinion, but it is based on watching him a lot. Just not a high major athlete and he seemingly lost his jump shot late in the season and it doesn't look like he has rediscovered it. Late in the season when he lost his shot he kind of became a ball hog looking to draw fouls where he shoots a really high percentage from the line, but struggled finishing going to the rim. Kid is really good and is a skilled player, but I am not sure if he is above a Valley level player due to some of his limitations. To me he might be a high floor low ceiling type. Shot 45.1% from 3 point line 79.4 from ft line. Seems like a great shooter to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 May ultimately be a 2019 offer. Rivera is considering a year of prep school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STLsportsfan Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Not sure if this has been posted but Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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