Bills_06 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Clock_Tower said: No. The other ownership group had floated a plan/stadium by Cortex/SLU but apparently this is not being considered. Too bad b/c no government handouts with that one. From the sound of it, that group never released the full financial details of who was in their group. I don't know if they met with the MLS officials but either they didn't or they did and MLS wasn't impressed. Even when they came back out and said they would pay for the public portion of the stadium by Union Station, all they said was they had "a private investor from Florida" or something along those lines. Hard to believe a group when they can't release the name of the big money guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Bills_06 said: I don't know if they met with the MLS officials but either they didn't or they did and MLS wasn't impressed. I bet this was the case. Officials have been saying that the MLS is extremely picky. Essentially saying anything past Union Station would be considered "too far" from a downtown. And the requirements for a new stadium in the MLS is to be downtown for any expansion City Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidnark Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 The Foundry MLS group didn't have real money so they couldn't be taken seriously by the various stakeholders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Well, the sign is on eBay (for now). http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/252749894919 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majerus mojo Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, hsmith19 said: Well, the sign is on eBay (for now). http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/252749894919 Someone set an over/under Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 19 hours ago, billikenfan05 said: Wheelhouse is Lacledes 2.0 and I love it 19 hours ago, wgstl said: I guess I'm awful, too. I knew 05 was awful but I expected more out of you WG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock_Tower Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 20 hours ago, wgstl said: I bet this was the case. Officials have been saying that the MLS is extremely picky. Essentially saying anything past Union Station would be considered "too far" from a downtown. And the requirements for a new stadium in the MLS is to be downtown for any expansion City Probably a good general rule for the MLS but not really applicable to St. Louis. The problem with St. Louis, unlike other cities, is that our people don't live downtown. Believe the mid-town could have resulted in a true niche, in more of the downtown feel/vibe that the MLS is really looking for and that mid-town has far more potential for taking hold and being more beneficial to both the team/league as well as to St. Louis generally. Another downtown stadium by our office buildings which empty at 5pm and are largely closed/quiet on weekends, will certainly help the failing Union Station but provide the downtown with very little real long team benefit. Still hope we can land an MLS team though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SluSignGuy Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 35 minutes ago, johnbj14 said: Sonofa... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 1 hour ago, johnbj14 said: Went there for dinner on NYE it's a Mexican restaurant and they were blaring hip hop. Now I enjoy the finer points of Drake but not necessarily at a taco joint. Just seemed like nobody cared Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Diablitos had the worst staff I've ever seen. Good riddance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 6 hours ago, Clock_Tower said: Probably a good general rule for the MLS but not really applicable to St. Louis. The problem with St. Louis, unlike other cities, is that our people don't live downtown. Believe the mid-town could have resulted in a true niche, in more of the downtown feel/vibe that the MLS is really looking for and that mid-town has far more potential for taking hold and being more beneficial to both the team/league as well as to St. Louis generally. Another downtown stadium by our office buildings which empty at 5pm and are largely closed/quiet on weekends, will certainly help the failing Union Station but provide the downtown with very little real long team benefit. Still hope we can land an MLS team though. Downtown St. Louis has seen some of the greatest residential population growth of any CBD in the nation over the past 20 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 7 minutes ago, hsmith19 said: Downtown St. Louis has seen some of the greatest residential population growth of any CBD in the nation over the past 20 years. The stadium site isn't in downtown. It is the western edge of downtown west and probably the worst spot in downtown west for pedestrian access for population pockets in that area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SluSignGuy Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 2 hours ago, thetorch said: Diablitos had the worst staff I've ever seen. Good riddance. Service at times left something to be desired. But there are no good (cheap) happy hour bars around SLU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonwich Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 1 hour ago, hsmith19 said: Downtown St. Louis has seen some of the greatest residential population growth of any CBD in the nation over the past 20 years. Well, in fairness, 20 years ago almost no one lived there. The percentage growth is enormous, but the gross population is still pretty dinky for a CBD that has residential in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 To me, the best part of this whole thing is that the weird highway ramp infrastructure at 22nd Street will be removed and reconfigured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Box and Won said: To me, the best part of this whole thing is that the weird highway ramp infrastructure at 22nd Street will be removed and reconfigured. Now if we could just do away with the depressed section of highway downtown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonwich Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 1 hour ago, brianstl said: Now if we could just do away with the depressed section of highway downtown. That would have been easy in the past five or six years, but the Great White Fathers chose instead to have 44 East link up with 70 West. So it ain't happenin' in your lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 34 minutes ago, bonwich said: That would have been easy in the past five or six years, but the Great White Fathers chose instead to have 44 East link up with 70 West. So it ain't happenin' in your lifetime. And the whole thing creates huge bottlenecks every day. It has really screwed up my commute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 14 hours ago, brianstl said: The stadium site isn't in downtown. It is the western edge of downtown west and probably the worst spot in downtown west for pedestrian access for population pockets in that area. Downtown West includes a lot of the loft redevelopment that has fueled the growth. Regardless, the Downtown/Downtown West distinction is silly and basically irrelevant now that the two neighborhoods conduct their economic development and report their numbers cooperatively. It's all effectively one CBD. But if you do buy the idea that Downtown West is too far from the urban core to satisfy MLS, then obviously putting it a mile and a half further out in Midtown doesn't solve that problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 13 hours ago, bonwich said: Well, in fairness, 20 years ago almost no one lived there. The percentage growth is enormous, but the gross population is still pretty dinky for a CBD that has residential in it. Well, many/most CBDs don't have significant residential populations. That's why it's doubly wrong to say the MLS' preference for downtown venues somehow shouldn't apply to St. Louis because of the number or downtown residents. First, the residential component or lack thereof in MLS cities has very little to do with why the league sites all their stadiums in CBDs. Plus, St. Louis' downtown does have an increasingly significant residential population. I get that SLU fans would have liked to see the site near the Armory work out, but it just wasn't viable for the six or eight reasons people have already laid out here. And pretending the downtown loft district doesn't exist doesn't change any of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 8 minutes ago, hsmith19 said: Downtown West includes a lot of the loft redevelopment that has fueled the growth. The combined population Downtown and Downtown West was less than 7,000 in the 2010 census. I think it is safe to say it has gone up since then, but it is still a relatively small number. Downtown West actually has a higher population than Downtown. The problem with the stadium's location is it isolated from the populations in Downtown West and Downtown. It isn't a pedestrian friendly location to get to. Pedestrian friendliness is one of the main reason supposedly the MLS wants downtown stadiums. That won't be happening here. The stadium location is where it is to try to help the O'Loughlin's Union Station project. That is the only reason to put it where it is. The hope is the crowd's at events at the stadium will attract people to Union Station. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 They like walkable, dense development around their stadiums. But they realize that very few of the fans are actually going to walk from home to go to games. Walkable distance from workplaces is still more important than exactly where in the downtown/downtown west neighborhoods residents live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted February 2, 2017 Author Share Posted February 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, brianstl said: The combined population Downtown and Downtown West was less than 7,000 in the 2010 census. I think it is safe to say it has gone up since then, but it is still a relatively small number. Downtown West actually has a higher population than Downtown. The problem with the stadium's location is it isolated from the populations in Downtown West and Downtown. It isn't a pedestrian friendly location to get to. Pedestrian friendliness is one of the main reason supposedly the MLS wants downtown stadiums. That won't be happening here. The stadium location is where it is to try to help the O'Loughlin's Union Station project. That is the only reason to put it where it is. The hope is the crowd's at events at the stadium will attract people to Union Station. I would agree with this. The other stadiums are truly in the core, with easy access to all public transit and major highways (well, maybe not so easy with the Dome but that doesn't matter anymore). The west edge of Downtown is kind of isolated. This site is a gamble, hoping that it fills out around this stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Just now, hsmith19 said: They like walkable, dense development around their stadiums. But they realize that very few of the fans are actually going to walk from home to go to games. Walkable distance from workplaces is still more important than exactly where in the downtown/downtown west neighborhoods residents live. It isn't a pedestrian friendly location for workers or residents. That area isn't pedestrian friendly at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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