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On 9/8/2016 at 9:53 PM, Old guy said:

billikenfan05, hate to say this but everyone (as in Universities) is more or less in some degree of a pickle nowadays. One portion of this pickle is the erratic behavior of the market coupled with the minimal interest return from bonds and treasuries which feed the endowments. The other portion is the ever increasing need for financial aid, research projects, buildings, personnel, regulation related expenses, athletic expenses, etc... this list is not exhaustive. It is not easy to try to balance the whole mess, as a matter of fact it requires real ability and a very competent staff to do so. I think SLU does very well compared to some other places.   

And that's why I invest in precious metals

 

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On 8/8/2016 at 2:46 PM, Pistol said:

Holy smokes: City Foundry Food Hall & Market Planned for 2018 Debut at East of Cortex

The project is bigger - and apparently starting sooner - than previously thought. Great news for SLU.

New renderings for this project.

 

 https://nextstl.com/2016/09/new-images-tif-application-340m-city-foundry-project/

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Of course there's whining in the comments about the TIF, but it sounds like there will be very little of that. A definite win for the area. Only thing I'm not wild about is that so much of it is set back from the street off by itself. A shame they couldn't have swung more frontage on Forest Park. It's got a very New Urbanist feel to it--the development itself is walkable, but it doesn't fit into the existing environment all that well.

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1 hour ago, hsmith19 said:

Of course there's whining in the comments about the TIF, but it sounds like there will be very little of that. A definite win for the area. Only thing I'm not wild about is that so much of it is set back from the street off by itself. A shame they couldn't have swung more frontage on Forest Park. It's got a very New Urbanist feel to it--the development itself is walkable, but it doesn't fit into the existing environment all that well.

As noted in one of the comments on Alex's piece, the street grid around there isn't exactly walkable. You've got 40 on one side and FPP on the other, and FPP is a 40 mph parkway. I don't disagree with you -- but I'd also bet that Lawrence examined the setback issue closely and went with that design for a reason. 

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20 hours ago, brianstl said:

Chick in the red looks like her ass can handle heavy activity.  Would sample.  Her friend, not so much.  Vaporware.

The chick on the right isn't window shopping.  Just filling her shorts.

Lots of interesting questions to ass about this rendering...

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20 hours ago, hsmith19 said:

Yeah, it's the major weakness of the area. But even as busy as FP is, it's a shame they couldn't have tied this complex into the rest of the streetfront more.

As I thought about this, it would be very cool if they could figure out how to reconnect the Spring bridge, even as simply a pedestrian bridge, which would put the new hospital complex walkable both from campus and from the Foundry. 

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On 9/17/2016 at 2:49 PM, bonwich said:

As I thought about this, it would be very cool if they could figure out how to reconnect the Spring bridge, even as simply a pedestrian bridge, which would put the new hospital complex walkable both from campus and from the Foundry. 

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Also under discussion are plans for a pedestrian connection between City Foundry and the Armory, which Green Street Properties plans to redo as an entertainment destination. The walkway would be along South Spring Avenue, in the same location as one that passed beneath the elevated lanes of westbound Highway 40 (Interstate 64) before it was removed years ago.

I love it when a plan comes together. ;) 

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This midtown development makes so much more sense than the Union Station one.  Apartment buildings, Foundry, connections to SLU/Cortex/The Grove and removing eye sores in the process is fantastic.  Plenty of room and still "downtown" and convenient for both Illinois residents and West County/St. Charles residents.  Actually, aside from Washington Avenue, what other areas truly offer "downtown" living short of going out to Soulard, Lafayette Park, South Grand, Central West End, etc.  Union Station has been a failure, and will remain a failure, unless and until people actually occupy and live nearby.  And a soccer stadium will not help anymore than a baseball stadium or dome stadium which brings people in by car, possibly staying a bite/drink before or after the game but more likely just to park, enjoy the game while hope their car remains safe before getting the hell back out to where they live.  The Mid-Town site, in contrast, offers amenities to people who are already actually working, living and socializing in Mid-Town -- and would provide a real boost to SLU make making SLU safer in the process. 

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24 minutes ago, Clock_Tower said:

This midtown development makes so much more sense than the Union Station one.  Apartment buildings, Foundry, connections to SLU/Cortex/The Grove and removing eye sores in the process is fantastic.  Plenty of room and still "downtown" and convenient for both Illinois residents and West County/St. Charles residents.  Actually, aside from Washington Avenue, what other areas truly offer "downtown" living short of going out to Soulard, Lafayette Park, South Grand, Central West End, etc.  Union Station has been a failure, and will remain a failure, unless and until people actually occupy and live nearby.  And a soccer stadium will not help anymore than a baseball stadium or dome stadium which brings people in by car, possibly staying a bite/drink before or after the game but more likely just to park, enjoy the game while hope their car remains safe before getting the hell back out to where they live.  The Mid-Town site, in contrast, offers amenities to people who are already actually working, living and socializing in Mid-Town -- and would provide a real boost to SLU make making SLU safer in the process. 

Well said, where do I sign.

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1 hour ago, Clock_Tower said:

This midtown development makes so much more sense than the Union Station one.  Apartment buildings, Foundry, connections to SLU/Cortex/The Grove and removing eye sores in the process is fantastic.  Plenty of room and still "downtown" and convenient for both Illinois residents and West County/St. Charles residents.  Actually, aside from Washington Avenue, what other areas truly offer "downtown" living short of going out to Soulard, Lafayette Park, South Grand, Central West End, etc.  Union Station has been a failure, and will remain a failure, unless and until people actually occupy and live nearby.  And a soccer stadium will not help anymore than a baseball stadium or dome stadium which brings people in by car, possibly staying a bite/drink before or after the game but more likely just to park, enjoy the game while hope their car remains safe before getting the hell back out to where they live.  The Mid-Town site, in contrast, offers amenities to people who are already actually working, living and socializing in Mid-Town -- and would provide a real boost to SLU make making SLU safer in the process. 

And don't forget, you have the rapidly growing cortex district just west of here, which will start construction on a new phase in 2017 that will include office space, 200 apartments, and an aloft hotel. Midtown is certainly the hotter neighborhood, BUT maybe that's why you go the union station route. 

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