kshoe Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 According to Sheltie, Roth is not as good as Scheyer. I never could have guessed as much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger72 Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 If you think roth is better than Ahearn then he would be a great get. Blake was 1st MVC which is as good or better conference than the one you currently play in. I think he was talking about Lee Humphrey who was a very good defender also. Roth can really shoot it but can he play the pressure defense RM will want to play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltiedave Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 Henry, if you want to parse words, meanings, and facts, digest this. Technically, Roth has been named to a first team all state list. Technically, Roth is the third best player in Illinois for this year. Technically, Roth is a high DI prospect. Technically, you are buying a lot more fertilizer for your rose garden than I am for mine. We have had our share of state player of the year winners, all state players, and conference POYs, and most have proved not to be multi-dimensional talents. Josh Fisher was a pleasant exception, and it still took him two full years before he made a transition. One reason Matt is happy is the perceived upgrade from the mid-level MVC schools who were chasing him hard. It seems strange to say this, but Metz also knows more about Roth than most, and he hasn't succombed to a mouth foaming frenzy yet, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTIME Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 I thought he was talking about Brett Nelson at Florida. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger72 Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 Lets just hope RM gets Roth and he will be a fine player for the Billikens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 I appreciate you trying to get the the board to be realistic when it comes to Roth's abilities but I think you're exaggerating to make your point. A kid who "doesn't see significant time" for his AAU team wouldn't make all-tournament in a big-time event like the Bob Gibbons TOC. http://www.bobgibbons.net/index.php?/weblo...all_tournament/ and he also was big in at least one game at the Kingwood Classic http://www.core1training.com/042406_article.html Indiana Elite was close to full strength when they match-up today versus Howard Pulley Black this, and they needed everyone to overcome a stubborn, albeit talented, Minnesota squad by a 70-63 margin. The Elite was led by long range bomber 6-foot 3 Matt Roth who knocked down 6-threes while scoring 20 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryB Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 You get called out for making an untrue statement. I simply show you the evidence of your fallacy and you resort to insults - that speaks volumes about you and your credibility on this board, don't you think? Most reasonable people understand the difference between fact and opinion. You have the pompous attitude, however, that we are to take your opinion as fact. Roth is an all stater, sorry that ruins your day - deal with it. I hope he winds up at SLU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOSLU68 Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 neither DM nor AK got a chance to play much same for BH; it took IV going in Brad's doghouse for us to get to see the potential in 4th year -junuior BH and even though I hoped BS would grow into the coach we needed; it was apparent he had a math problem with no answer; how to play more than 5 men on the team-hopefully, with RM we will go -seven to eight deep the first year and 9-10 once he has his own recruits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltiedave Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 Henry, the pompous attitude comes from him being tagged as a day one possible starter, and some very skewed viewpoints based on AAU play and a couple clips. I am sorry I said he was not an all state selection. It doesn't mean a single thing when he steps out on the floor in college. It also doesn't mean a thing if you "win" the argument of fact - the real question is whether he can play like previous first team all staters. In my book, he will not be delivering for a couple years, an observation you blithly ignore. In a discussion of substance vs style, neither Lisch nor Liddell were named to the Illinois all state first team(correct,) yet is there anyone on this board who would prefer Roth over the less recognized players? Press clippings are good to hang on a wall board when you are in high school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTIME Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 >Henry, the pompous attitude comes from him being tagged as a >day one possible starter, and some very skewed viewpoints >based on AAU play and a couple clips. > >I am sorry I said he was not an all state selection. It >doesn't mean a single thing when he steps out on the floor >in college. It also doesn't mean a thing if you "win" the >argument of fact - the real question is whether he can play >like previous first team all staters. In my book, he will >not be delivering for a couple years, an observation you >blithly ignore. > >In a discussion of substance vs style, neither Lisch nor >Liddell were named to the Illinois all state first >team(correct,) yet is there anyone on this board who would >prefer Roth over the less recognized players? > >Press clippings are good to hang on a wall board when you >are in high school. But Lisch and Liddell were first teamers in the STL area. 4 of the 5 starters last year were all-area 1st teamers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 Has anyone bothered to look at the kid's body? There is no way he is big enough to come in and start right away. This kid might end up being a player after a year or two, but he needs to put some major time in the weight room before he will be able to contribute anything more than a few minutes here or there. Knowing that we have four or five scholarships still to be filled next year I don't mind the fact that we are recruiting this kid, but he should not be one of the top three targets on our list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slubaseball42 Posted June 12, 2007 Author Share Posted June 12, 2007 When building a TEAM coaches have to have players who can do different things and compliment each other. This kid is going to be a GREAT shooter and will compliment the slashing ability of other players. Also, with all the bigs we have coming in we need someone that teams need to think about frm the outside. Just think about limiting the possibilities of doubling down on the bigs when the ball goes inside. Every player on the team does not have to be a freak athlete who can jump out of the gym. I agree, the majority of your players should be great athletes, but one or two guys who don't fit that description is not a "bad sign". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTIME Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 >Has anyone bothered to look at the kid's body? There is no >way he is big enough to come in and start right away. This >kid might end up being a player after a year or two, but he >needs to put some major time in the weight room before he >will be able to contribute anything more than a few minutes >here or there. > >Knowing that we have four or five scholarships still to be >filled next year I don't mind the fact that we are >recruiting this kid, but he should not be one of the top >three targets on our list. Polk played right away, is his body worse than Polk's was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 Look at the kids arms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTIME Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 >Look at the kids arms. Posters keep trying to find a reason to knock this kid. Fine I'll take it back. You are bashing a very good prospect because I said he would start as a freshman. Fine, I take it back. Now when he commits, he can get his proper due and wont get bashed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 But lets be honest about what he is. He IS NOT Teddy Dupay amd he IS NOT a starter as a freshman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTIME Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 You dont know that. If Majerus opts for more shooting on the floor that season, its Roth over Relphorde. Just because you're starting doesnt mean you're playing 30 minutes per game. If Suggs comes, Suggs will start, but dont just rule out Roth. You can never rule somebody out when they are GREAT at something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 You know the last two world championships we sent a "freak" team of athletes to the world games and the best we could get is a third place against a bunch of slow footed Euros and South Americans, who could shoot lights out from the 3. C'mon trust in RM guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 He will get killed as a freshman. Look at the kid. He is built like a high school freshman. He does not currently have the body to play major minutes. He does not have the frame to put those kind pounds and muscle on quickly. He doesn't have the quick release or first step that Teddy Dupay had that allowed him to use his shooting ability against bigger and stronger defenders. His size will make him a complete liability on defense coming in. That doesn't mean he couldn't be a very key player by his third season. D-1 college ball is TOTALLY a different game than high school. This is a kid you sign for what he can become. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardball Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 "i think sheltie's point of comparing the likes of tatum and ahearn was a good one. i truly dont want ahearn's but if we are talking strictly on court basketball players (off court is a another issue) i'd take the likes of tatum any day over an ahearn." Of course you would but you also wanted Darren Clarke over Ahern. I just hate starting over....don't you Roy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 i agree. i am glad we didnt have to start over by getting some asst coach or some low major coach as you would have been glad to have taken 6 months ago. biondi hit a homerun with majerus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltiedave Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 Here is a pertinent link for Illinois SG 2008 ranking... http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=220&p=9&c=4&c...&pid=41&yr=2008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidnark Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 So the 3rd best shooting guard in the 5th largest state in the country--who reportedly has one of the best long-range strokes in the state's history--wants to come to SLU, and you have concerns about this? If we had only one or two scholarships to give, then I understand, but we have six! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltiedave Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 David, you seem to be missing the point as well. Matt is a VERY good HS three point shooter, as were Deiner and Dustin. If he comes to SLU, I will be very happy for him and the team. We desperately need a bankable three point shooter in an RM system. There have been numerous times where judicious use of a three point specialist would have been a boon for us. Deiner also showed that depending on a three point specialist can have significant drawbacks. Matt does not have a good handle, does not have great foot speed, does not defend well, and does not fill the stats sheet with assists, steals, rebounds, or floor dives, and will need some significant upcoaching to change some of these attributes. There is a reason why Illinois has one five star, one four star, and then Matt at a two star shooting guard in the rankings for 2008. This probably is the weakest shooting guard class for Illinois in the last twenty five years, so it is not the year to claim recruiting supremacy and crow to other school forums that we stole the first team all state shooting guard in Illinois. Shumpert and Humphrey are head and shoulders above Matt, and any Illinois reporter who beats the drum incessantly that Matt is the best shooting guard, and third best high school senior in the state, is quite the homer. Right now Matt has a single skill that will translate well to mid DI in college - he can stroke the three. If fouled, he will make 85% of his free throws, but the lack of a serviceable handle makes his forays into the lane more exciting than Danny Brown going coast to turnover. This will limit his time on the floor late in games where we need icemen at the line. I would be much, much, much happier than I am if all I knew that he was first team all state Illinois, the third ranked SG in the senior class, had some hops, shot 85% from the line, and was a deadeye three point shooter. From what I do know, he will be a capable reserve, hopefully with a huge desire to improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 it boggles me that our fans are clamouring for what sounds like a one dimensional player. i expect majerus to have us in on much more talented players than that. however, i trust majerus' vision or what is to come. i want lisch and liddell clones. that said, reed and thompson this early is very exciting. one would think others would be wanting to follow quickly. i would be estatic with suggs, perry and mitchell to round out this class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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