Hardball

Roy Don't you just hate starting over!!!! Way to go RM. Thanks for bringing back local bragging righs to SLU.

Roy where is your last years mantra of patience? Your were willing to wait 5+ years to get to the NCAA’s but now you can’t seem to wait more than 6 games for results. Give it time Roy. Remember we all hate starting over!!!!

That is a great point. Remember when he was at SIU he had Painter and Lowry as assistants recruiting for him. Both have gone onto to build above average programs and have continued to put great recruiting classes together. I agree Moser would have helped Weber big time.

TL had nine turnovers against Missouri State. TL also led the team in turnoves. Roy has limited knowledge about many things realated to basketball but he is on the mark regarding TL playing the point. TL does not have the handles or the decision making skills for a PG. Doesn't mean he is not a great player but PG have to careful with the ball and make good decisions.

"i think sheltie's point of comparing the likes of tatum and ahearn was a good one. i truly dont want ahearn's but if we are talking strictly on court basketball players (off court is a another issue) i'd take the likes of tatum any day over an ahearn." Of course you would but you also wanted Darren Clarke over Ahern. I just hate starting over....don't you Roy!

BROY, Why so touchy? I know you don't like starting over but geez.... My response was not directed at you rather at the "what if" question being asked. I just happened to take the easiet way to respond and replied under your last reply. I will be careful next time.

Interesting that some who were willing to give BS a six year of treading water now want to ask the "what if" questions as it relates to the results after the first 45 days. RM has accomplished more in 45 days then the former staff did in 5+ years. First, the unofficial visit you refer to would never have happened under the old regime. Secondly, RM must be measured by his results not the "what if" questions. Third, I am not sure how anyone can question RM based upon his past history. BS never had the benifit of pointing to past history results for comfort but RM's history is above reproach. Sit back and enjoy the ride!

I have said it before but I will say it again.You can never have enough shooters. Whether he plays in games or not he will be of value in practice for scout teams.

I guess my statement last week suggesting, if RM wants Suggs as a Billiken he will be a Billiken holds a little more weight today. It is all about recruiting and RM is as good as anyone. His message will be attractive to Top 100 talent as well as players who believe RM can develope them as a player into Top 100 type talent.

RM will do the things that all good recruiters do and the Eagles meeting is just one example. It would also not surprise me if he meets with the SWIC coaches and begins to mend the fences there as well. This is what Big Time recruiters do. These types of calculated moves is why I am confident RM will be way more successful than most of you can imagine.

Far be it for me to defend Roy but I made the initial comment. I merely suggested that if Suggs was so fond of BS that his firing has turned him off on SLU then he should have rewarded BS with a committment when he was the head coach. Did Suggs like the Head Coach or did he like the school? If it was the Head coach he had the perfect opportunity to seal his fate but declined. If it is the school we should be still in the running. Which I think we are. My second point on RM was he will operate in Plan A's and Plan 1A's not Plan C's and D's. He will not get everyone he recruits but he won't miss on many. And if he does miss on his Plan A his Plan 1A will be close in ability to his original Plan A.

My comment was based on the confidence I have in Rick's recruiting ability. I am convinced that if he misses on Suggs he will replace him with one of equal talent. This is something BS never could do. If BS missed out on his Plan A he immediately dropped to his Plan D.

If Suggs is so mad because of BS's firing why didn't he commit when he had a chance. Maybe his committment would have saved his job. This is where RM as HC will pay-off big time. Simply put, if RM wants Suggs then he will be a Billiken. If not he will replace him with a player of equal or better talent.

Give it a rest Roy. If SLU get's any of the 2008 class it will not be because of any foundation laid by BS or AT. The success or failures in the 2008 class will be soley RM's.

Roy I really wasn't expecting you to admit you had a any clue what you were talking about. I read everyday and long enough to know you continue to take unwarranted swipes at Nate. I just got tired of the head in the sand mentality from some of the non-believers suggesting SLU couldn't do any better. You were pretty clear in your position that SLU couldn't do any better. Now just sit back and enjoy the ride there is a lot of room on this Bandwagon!

I hate starting over....Don't you Roy?

I was ridiculed by many for my appreciation of Painter's recruiting work at the beginning of the season when I brought it to the attention of some Billiken Posters. I made mention of Painters recruiting results to illustrate that the rebuilding process doesn't take 5 plus years. The standard response was Painter benefited from the Big 10 and at SLU it would just take a little longer to achieve those same results. I didn't buy that excuse then and I don't buy it now. The number one attribute SLU needs is a Top Notch, A+, Super Recruiter (which RM will be). You have to give credit to Painter because in the end he is the closer and ultimately the person who will get the big bucks or the pink slip.

I suggest you take your ball and go home for now B-roy. It is obvious your support for SLU changes as the wind blows. When the ship starts sailing straight again come back and we will greet you with open arms. Go Billikens!

I have come to the conclusion that all lines have been drawn and no one will change anyones mind regarding their position. The only mystery left, is who is right? The Stay The Course supporters or the We Can and Should Do Better brigade.

Sky Frazier would be the best Big on our roster if he chose to come to SLU.

"1. He is lucky if he is pushing 6'7 2. His hands are the size of a 6 foot man. 3. Despite decent athleticism (which will be average at the college level) he doesn't rebound all that well and is not an active shot blocker even at the HS level." This is almost exactly what people said about Falkner coming out of Gateway Tech. The only description missing is that he wants a special engineering degree that SLU can't offer. This is where SIU is in much better shape than SLU. SIU will more than likely red-shirt Booker and bulk him up like Falkner and then have a productive five year player. SLU needs help now so Booker probably wasn't a good fit for the Billikens. SIU has built a program and maintained a system while this staff has spent their 5+ years scramblig filling holes and having absolutely no recruiting philosophy whatsoever.

It is kind of hard for me to give credit to a coach that should have been changing it up all year long instead of just in the last couple of games. It is like praising your 12 year old because he repects his elders. Isn't that what you are suppose to do! The same can be said for playing his bench players. I almost feel like he was told by someone to change your ways or else. Whatecer the reason success is what matters and two wins are certainly better than two loses.

Wouid he be better than holding on to a schollie that never gets used?

I agree GOP Husak was a big part of the win last night. What is more confusing is why he hasn't played more before last night? There is no doubt he could have helped us in some prior game situations. Lets see how Ian responds to playing Husak more.

This is a perfect example of when an assisstant like A. Bonner could close the deal on a small forward. He could claim he knows how to get to the next level and promise to show him the way. Also if he came SLU we could be the next years Butler and he could be the oneto put us over the top.